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The Worst Airplane!

Sat May 22, 1999 8:31 am

My sis asked what is the best plane, so what is the worst plane in your opinion? Least comfort, reliability, or just don't like it. I can tell you I DO NOT like the Ilyushin and Tupolev planes. The only Tupolev that I even come close to liking is the Tu-134. I am fine with the rest of the airliners. Fly 757-200!
 
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Sat May 22, 1999 8:38 am

I'd never fly onboard any Russian-built aircraft.

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RE: What?

Sat May 22, 1999 8:48 am

To 757-200,
I know that tupolev are a bit risky to fly but I don't understand why you would think Ilyushin is a dangerous airplane. I don't think any Ilyushins have even crashed.
And Russian built aircraft are'nt dangerous , you might think they are because the ones that have crashed were just too old to fly.
 
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RE: What?

Sat May 22, 1999 8:52 am

I would fly on such aircraft as the An-124, Il-96, Tu-204, etc without a second thought.
 
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RE: Evgeni

Sat May 22, 1999 9:06 am

That is not what I meant, I meant what airplane do you not like for reasons like bad comfort, bad reliability, or that you just do not like the plane. THEN I said that I simply do not like Ilyushin and Tupolev. I did not say that the Tupolev and Ilyushin were unreliable, I just don't like them. Fly 757-200!
 
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Sat May 22, 1999 9:19 am

I do not like the J41. It is the most uncomfortable airplane I've ever been on. I've flown on them on United Express and TWExpress.

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RE: Evgeni

Sat May 22, 1999 9:20 am

I hate it when I get up to go to work and my DC8 wont crank over. Then I got to get a push start and pop the clutch. I like all planes. I don't like your questions much though. Can't you think of more in depth questions to ask than just opening a thread to voice your own opinion that no one asked for.

 
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RE: 757-200

Sat May 22, 1999 9:20 am

Why don't you like the Ilyushin?
I flew on Il-86 over the atlantic and it was very comfortable. Now, the Tupolev is another story but I don't think Ilyushin satisfaction is lower than Boeing. Russian manufacturers wanted an airplane that could fly over the atlantic, so they had to make it comfortable.


Have you ever flown on an Ilyushin?
 
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RE: 757-200

Sat May 22, 1999 10:19 am

Looking back at the track record of earlier DC-10 models, I would not dare stepping into a DC-10-10. All newer airplanes, like the A320/330/340 and the B777 are too much filled up with technology, where if (which I admit does not happen very often) something would happen, you could just push a button and turn all this new computer junk off and fly the airplane with cables and pullies. I understand that we have to move towards the future, and with that comes new technology, but just in that situation, I want to know that I can still count on my aeronautical skills and bring my baby down. This is why I like older B-727 and L-1011s, they might be out of date technology wise, but they are (what I call) airplanes.

Later
 
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Sat May 22, 1999 11:00 am

Are you some sort of anti-technology activist or something? I think that the Boeing 777 and 747-400 are the best things ever to come out of the Boeing plant, and the Airbus A320 is just too comfortable to say anything bad about. In my opinion, planes such as the ones I have named are perfect in terms of their respective technologies. One thing...the B747-400 should have FBW controls and LCD screens.
 
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Crashed Ilyushins

Sat May 22, 1999 11:07 am

Evgeni wrote:
"I don't think any Ilyushins have even crashed."

Below, my compliments, find a list of Ilyushins which have crashed in the last 3 years alone:

96- April 5, Ilyushin-76 of Krasnoyarsk Airlines crashed in Petropavlovsk, Russia

96- June 6, Ilyushin-76 of Hoseba Airlines crashed Zaire, Africa

96- August 21, Ilyushin-76 of SPAIR crashed Belgrade, Yugoslavia

96- November 12, Ilyushin-76 of Kasachstan Airlines crashed New Delhi, India

96- November 27, Ilyushin II-76 of Russian Air Force crashed Abakan, Russia

97- January 25, Ilyushin-76 of the Voronesh Prod. Plant crashed Anadyr, Russia

98- April 24, Ilyushin-62 of Transasian Airlines crashed Istanbul, Turkey

98- July 13, Ilyushin-76 of ATI Aircompany crashed Rasal Khaiman, UAE

98- July 17, Ilyushin-76 of Ukraine Air Transport crashed Enitrea, Africa

I don't have the details of the circumstances under which these planes crashed, but as you can see, Ilyushins crash with alarming frequency. And I'll say nothing of Tupolevs, Antonovs, and Yakovlevs.
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RE: Jetpilot

Sat May 22, 1999 11:14 am

Okay, so it wasn't the most interesting topic in the world! I ask because I want to know. If there's a certain airplane someone in this forum somebody doesn't like, it would do me good not to talk about it. I can't help it if you think my topics aren't interesting. Remember, some people find certian things interesting, while others don't. I did not join this forum to cause fights. We all share the same thing in common; we all love aviation and would like to discuss aviation related topics. Come on, this forum has improved 100% in the past month, let's not ruin it by arguing with each other. Evgeni, no, I have never been on those planes, I don't like their appearance! That's all! Now, lets keep the forum a nice place to visit! If you don't like my topic, I'm sorry. I really couldn't think of anything really 'interesting' to post, so I did this topic in the face of my sister asking what everyone's favorite plane was. Contrary to most of you, I do not have anyone on the inside that I am in contact with, so most of the time I am asking things I need/want to know. I'm sorry if I've raised a problem. I assure you JETPILOT that my next post will be more interesting. You've answered most of my posts since I joined here about 5 months ago, and I respect you for that. I'm only 14, and I am trying to learn all there is about aviation, and right now this forum is my most important source of the info I need. So I'd appreciate it if we could all PLEASE get along. Fly 757-200!
 
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727

Sat May 22, 1999 4:05 pm

I found the 2 most uncomfotable planes are 727 and dc-9 hands down, they are quieter on takeoff than they are in the air, and when they are taking off the over head bins sound like they are about to rattle apart, and when your flying in a storm and you see the lights and vents shaking its not too reassuring. L1011s are the best Ive flown so far. Viva La L1011
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Sun May 23, 1999 2:46 am

Are the crashes of the Soviet built airliners due to the planes being badly designed or due to other reasons like inadequate atc, navaids, pilot training, procedures etc ?

I would think the latter.
 
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Sun May 23, 1999 4:28 am

Hi :


BEST : 777, MD-11, 767-300ER
WORST : Saab 340

Andy
 
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Sun May 23, 1999 4:45 pm

I would have to say the crappiest plane in the world has to be the DC-10. I hate it!
 
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757-200

Sun May 23, 1999 5:14 pm

You see!! When you ask a question like this one you are asking for answers like the one by 777. What does he know a bout the DC10 that Fed Ex doesn't. I'd Like to know. Becuase they must think it's pretty good. They just bought 100 of them. I know!! There crappy because he thinks there ugly or maybe he got airsick on one once. Lets get the forum content up to a little higher level.
 
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Boeing 727

Sun May 23, 1999 5:32 pm

The info you have on the earlier DC10's is bogus. I don't know what the media has been telling you, but the DC10's record is spotless. It's the fools who mounted the engine on the plane with a forklift who caused the Chicago O'hare crash. The forklift ran out of gas so they pulled it out to refuel it and left the engine hanging by one bolt that caused the pylon to crack.

The cargo door that blew off was improperly latched. Any aircraft is exposed to human era. It's unfortunate that the media has put the DC10 in such a bad light. You don't have to propogate it. The statistics say that planes don't kill people. 98% of the time it's the flight crew.

People should be less woried about the safety of aircraft and more concerned why American airlines flew a perfectly good 757 into a mountain top in Columbia. Or why Delta airlines flew a perfectly airworthy aircraft into a thunderstorm/microburst in Dallas Fort Worth killing just about everyone on board. Planes are safe. Pilots aren't.
 
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RE: Boeing 727

Mon May 24, 1999 8:47 am

Jetpilot, if you read the opening thread, we were asked which airplane we dislike, for whatever reason, technical or not. 777Rules gave his opinion. And you summarily attacked him for it. That is not how a forum works. A forum is for contributing your two cents, not for attacking another contributor for contributing his two cents simply because his two cents displeases you. That's my two cents.
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Mon May 24, 1999 9:40 am

If you are looking for worst in comfort, the MD-90 and 757-200. If you are looking for worst in looks, ALL of the Russian built planes. And if you are looking for worst in records, the DC-10-10. If you want best in looks, comfort, and records from the past and still to come, fly the Boeing 777!!! You won't regret it!
 
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RE: United747

Mon May 24, 1999 9:49 am

I personally believe that some russian planes are beautiful. And I have flown on a 777 (UA B777-222IGW N799UA) and I did not think it was comfortable, or looked good (even though the aircraft was only 3 weeks old), and the 777 has been around long enough for it to have a record, you just wait.
 
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Mon May 24, 1999 12:05 pm

That's my two cents. And thats not an attack. Thats my opinion. Thats waht forums are about. What he said about the DC10 amounts to slander. Lets have some Corroboration. That might make his post a little more enjoyable.
 
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Mon May 24, 1999 8:22 pm

Poor 757-200, getting chewed out by JETPILOT. I think it's a valid question, and bless his sister for asking it. My fave is the 747 classic, and for comfort and interior design, it's Airbus. Someone said the 777 wasn't that impressive, and I agree, the cabin is a bit old-fashioned and the sculpted ceiling panels made me feel a bit unsettled as they're so unsymetrical. So, fave: 747, A320, 707. dislike: 777, MD11, 767 (such a boring plane! and slow!). I like the 757 cos it's a workhorse and the right size for the job, and I hope our friend 757-200 who posted the question gets to fly one for Delta. Good luck!
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
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RE: Jetpilot

Mon May 24, 1999 9:56 pm

Jet Pilot wrote:
"Let's get the forum content up to a little higher level." That was your line JETPILOT because you didn't like what 777Rules' had to say. You insulted his contribution. That is an attack. That is not what forums are about. If he doesn't like the DC-10, he should be able to say that without fear of having his contribution ridiculed. That would be no worse than saying he doesn't like neopolitan ice cream. Ice cream, nor airliners, can be slandered. Give the kid a break. He is in the 5-15 age group. You're in the 26-35 age group. He could be 6 years old for heaven's sake. Perhaps you're suggesting that McDonnell Douglas sue the kid for slander? Then will let Baskin-Robbins go at him.
An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
 
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Tue May 25, 1999 3:03 am

For me, the worst flying experience was on a piston-powered An-2. When I got out of the plane I couldn't feel the ground... it was so shaky when it flew. Now, I wonder whether it's pilots or weather or the plane's design, but out of 4 times I flew An-2, all 4 times I was like drunk when got out of the plane. And 2 times out of these I got sick :).

Ice Cream Man: to your question of a possible reason of Soviet-built planes' crashes. I'd guess it's more due to the inadequate procedures, in terms of technical service and ageing planes being flown-over instead of being sent to scrap.

As for Soviet planes being "too dangerousto fly", air accidents records show that their Western counterparts "perform" no worse in contributing to the crash list.

Alex Alexeyev
An2/24/28,Yak42,Tu154/134,IL18/62/96,B737/757/767,A310/320/319,F100,BAe146,EMB-145,CRJ,A340-600,B747-400,A-330-300,A-340
 
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RE: Boeing 727

Tue May 25, 1999 6:35 am

I dont like the 727 at all. they are loud, and they vibrate ALOT.
 
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RE: I Might Not Leave!

Tue May 25, 1999 7:31 am

You know, JETPILOT, that REALLY burns me up! That's all my topics have been to you, BORING? Just because I ask what everyone's worst airplane is, that doesn't mean that you need to chew me out! After you said that to me, I really considered leaving this forum for good! If you think my topics are so boring maybe I should save you from being bored to death! But no, maybe I won't leave. Maybe just because only ONE person on this forum thinks I'm boring I should stay. But rest assured, that If this EVER happens again with anybody else, I will most assuredly leave, or is that what you want? Fly 757-200!
 
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Tue May 25, 1999 8:01 am

I think personally that NONE of your topics JETPILOT have been "interesting." I would have to say I hate the A320 and other Airbuses, but I have only flown on the A320 so I cant say anything about the others but they feel cheap.
 
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RE: What? Evgeni

Tue May 25, 1999 8:19 am

I know of at least on major crash of an IL-62. It was in the late 70's a LOT Polish Airlines Il-62 left warsaw for Ney York. It had and engine explosion in the number 1 engine, which caused the number 2 engine to catch fire. The fire spread through the cabin killing everyone as well as spreading to the fuel tank in the tail and the #3 and #4 engines. The russian built planes were found to be the cause. THe were faulty. LOT had to re-fit all of them and place a fire wall in the aft cabin, something Soviet officials said was going to be too expensive to put the original design, even though it was recomended. LOT sold all of their IL-62's to Air Ukraine, making it one of the only airlines in the world flying the IL-62 with the special fire wall. I am sure there are many more accidents that were not reported during the soviet days.
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RE: What? Flyf15

Tue May 25, 1999 8:22 am

THE AN142 is not a russian plane. It's Ukrainian
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Info. On Air Florida

Wed May 26, 1999 5:17 am

I would like to know information about
Air Florida the In-flight service the Crew's
 
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Wed May 26, 1999 2:57 pm

The Worst plane I've ever flown on has to be the Shorts 360 American Eagle use to fly them and it's horrible. Poor A/C, non-reclining seats, non-pressurized so if you get any higher than the cloud tops your popping your ears like crazy and finally it's noisey as all hell!!!!!

The best is any of the Boeing aircraft.....the 757 and 767 are really good.
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Best: L1011, Worst: Cannot Say :)

Wed May 26, 1999 4:42 pm

n/m
I seriously think I just creamed my pants without any influence from any outside variables.
 
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Wed May 26, 1999 7:19 pm

The worst and crappiest airliner i've ever been on is the Transasia ATR-42! It was so CRAP!
 
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So Whats The Crapiest Already?

Thu May 27, 1999 1:06 pm

Is the crapiest crap plane the ATR crap or the DC10 crap. Make up your mind.
 
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DC10/MD11

Thu May 27, 1999 1:13 pm

DC10/MD11--poorly made, uncomfortable, unreliable, uneconomical. The L1011 was a much better plane.
 
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Thu May 27, 1999 1:48 pm

aaaah, how tired I am from the worst airplane and, of course- russian airplanes ARE worst, right?
get out of the cold war, gentlemen! get out!
if someone can't- consult your physician immediately- or, better, psychiatrist...

grrr..

GROW UP!

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No Worst Airplane!

Fri May 28, 1999 11:36 am

How can people who profess to love aviation say there is a "worst airplane?"

There are planes that I prefer for long hauls (777 or 767), medium hauls (757, A320 and 727) and short hauls (De Havilland Dash 8), but I enjoy flying in all planes. If it flies, I want to be on it.

All planes, whether made in the US, Canada, Europe, Brazil or Russia (or elsewhere) are marvels of engineering and construction. They maybe different because they are made to serve different markets. Don't apply prejudice in judging the merits of aircraft from various countries. Let's just enjoy the variety and hope we always have a decent variety of planes to watch and fly.

BTW, let's try to stop the Boeing vs. Airbus crap. Both entities produce excellent products that are a pleasure in which to fly. Airlines buy the product that they can get at the best price and delivered in a reasonable time. Let's be happy that BOTH companies exist so that there is some competition to force the two to keep advancing and pushing the envelope. We are all better when there is competition.
 
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RE: The Worst Airplane!

Fri May 28, 1999 9:34 pm

My least favourite airilner (everyone should know this) is the J31 and the EMB120. eventhough i say those are my 2 favourite props.. i still hate them.. don't ask me why :) My least fave bizjets are anything made by Mitsubishi or Beech.. they are so unreliable!
 
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RE: BostonLogan

Fri May 28, 1999 11:27 pm

How can you say the MD-11 is poorly made, and in the first place, to generalize the DC-10 and MD-11 as the same plane. The MD-11 has quite little to do with the DC-10. I will just have you know that the MD-11 is one of the most reliable planes around today, that it is not uneconomical, and that it sure is not uncomfortable. I don't know where you have gotten your information, but you have it all backwards.

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