Canada Mike
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Air Canada Scheduling

Sun Apr 29, 2001 1:10 pm

I've been thinking about the combined AC/CP schedule, and began to have a question form. It seems to me that CP has taken over a heck of a lot of AC flights. Especially in Edmonton, Calgary, and Vancouver, not only on western Rapidair but to YYZ/YUL/YOW also. As well, there are more CP-operated flights on eastern Rapidair runs than I would have expected.

My question is, what are all the AC FAs and pilots doing now who have had their flying severely cutback to accomadate the new CP operated flights? Especially the crews from YVR and YYC, though I've heard that AC's Halifax-based FAs have been (or had been) experiencing troubles with all of the flying transfered to Canadi>n.

AC hasn't had any incredible growth recently, so I'm just wondering what all those flight crews are doing when they would ordinarily be out flying flights now operating with CP metal and crews.

BTW, does anybody know when CP pilots and FAs will begin cross-training for the AC aircraft, and the AC pilots/FAs begin differences training for the CP aircraft? I assume AC crews will not train on the 737 while CP crews will not train on the DC9. But I would expect AC crew to be trained on the differences between the 320, 763, and 744, while the CP crew train on all the AC equip types.

As well, does anybody know when the schedules and flying will be fully combined to all AC flying? (e.g. AC3923 is a YYZ-YEG flight operated as AC but with CP equipment and crew. Before the acquisition, this flight was AC123.) I'm wondering when the two schedules will be fully integrated with none of the 3000-series flt numbers distinguishing the CP operated flights.

Thanks all.
Canada Mike
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RE: Air Canada Scheduling

Sun Apr 29, 2001 1:53 pm

First of all, ex-CP employees are not getting more flying as far as I can see. Both groups are getting about the same amount of flying. If anything, ex-AC employees are getting more.
Air Canada has been flying more of the ex-CP routes actually. Narita, Taipai, Shanghai (CP route authority) and a whole lot of US flights (Boston etc..)
The employees were cross-trained months ago, they needed to do this to get the single operating certificate.

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Air Canada Scheduling

Sun Apr 29, 2001 2:02 pm

Hello Mike, AC and CP crews have started to be trained for Aircraft type and differences early this year, and I think it's still not completed yet. Once they have the union problem sorted out, they will fully integrated both crews. AC has been promoting leaves for its FAs since I think one or two months ago because they have surplus of FAs. I know that there are actually some FAs especially from CP are just sitting at home not working but still get paid for minimun guaranteed hours. I guess since they have decided there will be no capacity growth early this year, and as they have hired so much FAs last yr and the ones from CP, they need to get rid of some FAs by offering them leaves and early retirement. Good thing is that they don't lay off people.

As long as they still have not sorted out the union problem, u will still see the AC3000 series because they are a way to identify AC or ex-CP crew.

I hope they will get the union thing sorted out soon too, as then they will begin flying non stop YYZ-HKG by that time, and some AC crew will be able to fly B744 all PAX version, and I'm sure some CP crew can't wait to fly the great A330/A340 too!  Smile


Canada Mike
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RE: Air Canada Scheduling

Sun Apr 29, 2001 2:35 pm

Thanks everybody. It will be nice to see one strong airline instead of two airlines chopped up and mashed into one.

Can't wait for that new sked to come out...stupid was a good idea in it's time--too bad the most of them went corrupt, but there's another story.

Canada Mike

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