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Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 4:00 pm

In an article of Haaretz about El-Al's financial crisis, it was said that "the purchase of the 2 Boeing 737-700s was an error".
WHY?
Would another plane have been more appropriate?
 
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RE: Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 6:23 pm

Possibly because they were purchased before they decided to get rid of the 757s?
i.e. more 737-800s would be better to flexibly handle Euro-routes operated by 757s.
Just my guess.....
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RE: Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 8:07 pm

Or because their original choice was the A319, the purchase of which was blocked by the government, under heavy US pressure...

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RE: Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 8:38 pm

Or, perhaps, because they committed to servicing debt at a time when reasonably-projected revenue was not adequate to do so?

Folks, unless there is some specific complaint with the airctraft (not likely, as a B737 is a known quantity), the commentary is more likely to be about the decision and its timing, not the airplane itself.
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RE: Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:06 pm

Maybe two more -800s would have been a better choice instead. They carry more pax and therefore seem to be more appropriate as a B757 replacement.
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RE: Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:23 pm

With the dispute in the middle east the choice of any new plane would not be good.
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RE: Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 10:42 pm

Or because their original choice was the A319, the purchase of which was blocked by the government, under heavy US pressure...

This statement makes no sense. Why would they be happy with the 319 when both -700 and 319 are practically the same size?

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RE: Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:13 pm

It is likely to be a financial thing; El Al is in the middle of an aircraft renewal program and it probably should have thought about replacing its long haul aircraft first. I thought that the 73G choice for El Al was a bit strange when the order was announced, most European carriers use wide-body aircraft on their flights to TLV due to high demand and cargo requirements (BA, KL, SR, LH, etc).

To the comment about the US blocking an El AL pruchased of the A319, come on...has the US govt blocked the puchased of the A319 by UA, US and NW? Such airlines are Airbus' largest customers and they just happen to be US airlines.
 
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RE: Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:29 pm

Dutchjet,

If you were to have followed the news you'd have known better than saying that...

And no, the government has indeed not blocked the purchase of Airbuses by UA, NW or US, simply because these are all private companies, and the government can not interfere with their fleet choice. However, El Al is state owned, and Israel recieves billions in aid from the US government, so the US government can put pressure on the Israeli government, as they did in this case. El Al had even signed an MoU with Airbus for 5 A319s plus 5 options. Same happened again with the planned purchase of A330-200s recently.

But, back on subject, the size is probably indeed the main reason for them not being happy with it.

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RE: Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:51 pm

Juul, your point is well taken and we are all entitled to our opinions; I respect your opinion and shall agree to disagree with you. I do follow the news, but, remember what source the news comes from; as an American living overseas, its amazing how different a news story can be told depending on the media source reporting it. The word often used is "spin".

Concerning the A330 order, I agree with you that the entire thing was odd with the order cancelled or delayed almost at the same time it was placed. Politics aside, did you not find it strange that an airline the size of EL AL would order 3 777 and 2 A330? Having 2 different type of aircraft for very similiar (not exact but similiar) missions? Something just did not make sense with the entire situation.
 
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RE: Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Tue May 01, 2001 12:00 am

Dutchjet,

I agree on what you say about the news. That's why I don't watch CNN anymore.
ElAl was indeed interested to order both A319s and A330s (a LOI was signed for the A319s as told by Juul), government blocked the deal after US pressure.
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RE: Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Tue May 01, 2001 12:09 am

After the whole A319 thing Airbus even threatened to no longer bid for El Al deals, meaning El Al would have to pay much more for their Boeings. El Al practically begged Airbus to offer the A330/A340 last time around, and probably decided to order both 777 and A330 in order to keep both companies interested and not hurt anyone's feelings too bad. However, the US didn't see it that way...

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RE: Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Tue May 01, 2001 12:13 am

Juul is right...we didn't see it that way.
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RE: Why Is EL-AL Not Satisfied With Its 737-700s?

Tue May 01, 2001 12:16 am

This is NO place for a political discussion; we all know that both Boeing AND Airbus have used "UNCONVENTIONAL" methods at times to secure orders or block aircraft orders, regardless of what is the source of your news. I think we should leave it at that.

The original question was why EL AL is not satisfied with its 73G aircraft, to make it simple, my opinion is that they are too small for the routes that they are used on. If they had purchased the A319, and EL AL was not happy with them, my answer would be exactly the same.