Bryston
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Lufthansa:

Wed May 02, 2001 10:43 pm

I was wandering near Bombardier hangars in YUL, and I saw a new CRJ700 with Lufthansa livery. I though Lufthansa choose the 728JET as a 70-seater...

Does anyone know why they bought two type of planes for the same market?

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Bryston
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RE: Lufthansa, 728JET Vs. CRJ700

Wed May 02, 2001 10:45 pm

Oups, the topic was supposed to be Lufthansa: 728JET vs. CRJ700.

I suppose the ":" cut the rest of the line.....

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SailorOrion
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RE: Lufthansa:

Wed May 02, 2001 10:50 pm

LH bought the CRJ700 mainly because the 728 will not enter service before 2003, and they need an airplane to fill the gap. Since they operate quite some CRJ100/200 (about 50 I guess) the order makes some sense.

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RE: Lufthansa:

Wed May 02, 2001 10:51 pm

1) 728 won´t be delivered for quite some time.
2) Commonality with CRJ100/200
3) Replacement for ARJ85?

Hope this helps. Ask Johnnybgoode, he´s an expert on that field.

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RE: Lufthansa:

Wed May 02, 2001 10:53 pm

Sorry, we wrote this apperently at the same time. Did´t want to post redundant stuff.
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Bryston
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RE: Lufthansa:

Wed May 02, 2001 11:16 pm

How much did they order of each aircraft? I think they ordered 60 firm and 60 options for the 728JET, but I don`t how much for the CRJ700.

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SailorOrion
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RE: Lufthansa:

Wed May 02, 2001 11:35 pm

20 firm orders for LH cityline
15 orders + 30 options for Eurowings  Confused

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RE: Lufthansa:

Thu May 03, 2001 1:03 am

Today I saw Eurowings' first CRJ, D-ANIK. All white, just EW-logo and titles.
 
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RE: Lufthansa:

Fri May 04, 2001 11:39 pm

hey daniel, thanks for your compliments...  Wink/being sarcastic
regarding this issue, i agree with Airsicknessbag and SailorOrion.
although, the CRJ 700s are not going to replace the ARJs for the time being, there are no plans so far, i think that might possibly become true in some time to come if yields and stuff change. originally, the Do 728s were ordered to replace the ARJs, and certainly to complement the fleet with such a massive order.
but there´s still an additional point i´d like to add why CLH chose the crj 700s: don´t ask me why specifically, but CLH chose the 700s on the one hand for services from TXL. the 700 is developed for longer, thinner routes and is faster and burns less fuel than the ARJs, so CLH thinks the 700 is more suitable plane for developing the TXL network.
i believe on a different topic, one of yoou guys, Sailor, airSickness, already mentioned that Lufthansa is not that happy with the performance of the ARJs which refers to the fuel consumption so the ARJs, although prefered among the crews, was never liked that much by the guys counting the money and doing the numbers.
and actually the ARJ was never meant to stay in service so long with the ARJ and as soon as the Do 728s arrive, they´re gonna be phased out real quick.
at the time CLH chose the ARJs, i believe that was late ´93 or early ´94, they actually wanted a totally new plane but at that time, the ARJs were already a little older and were already based on an old design, the BAe-146s. so at the beginning, CLH wanted to chose the Fokker 70, but they didn´t get it because the ARJ offered more cabin space. you see, that although, i think it´s a nice plane and it is liked by pax and crews, it was never going to play a longtime major role in CLHs fleet decision...

rgds
daniel

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