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SQ 2006

Thu May 03, 2001 12:36 am

SQ will receive their first A380 in 2006. but also by this year, the last A310-300 will be retired, leaving the fleet comprising of only A340s, B777s, B747s, and A380.

Should they actually get some smaller planes for routes like KUL etc?
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RE: SQ 2006

Thu May 03, 2001 12:51 am

Well, if they can fill them - and they seem confident that they can - why not? Also, there is an issue of commonality; even if it means sacrificing a few % in load factors, it makes sense to avoid having an extra type. With 777s operating extensively on short, medium and long haul flights, the cost savings will be quite significant.

So, by 2006, I'd see SIA's fleet as:
(c = approx/circa, brackets - aircraft on order)

10-12 A380/380F
(c. 10-15 A380/380F)

(c. 10-15 Boeing 787 Sonic C.)

35-40 744
10 744F

10 A340-500 (incl. 5 leased)

12 773
25-30 772ER
25 772

C. 130 aircraft.

Obviously, the figures are guesses, but somewhere in the ballpark seems reasonable. I have put a fairly low number of SCs on order, as airlines will adopt a wait and see approach; the likes of VS, AA, BA, QF, SQ and EK will certainly be in the first ten, but will want to tread slowly at first. Similarly, if the SC is a big success, they won't want to go overboard with 380 orders. I am predicting that the extra 5 345s will be leased; there will be a need for ULH aircraft, but again, they'll want to lease rather than buy, due to the danger that the SC might make the standard types less attractive. The SCs would replace the 340s first.

The medium and short haul 777s would not be affected by the SCs, as the SC won't be profitable on short, regional flights.

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RE: SQ 2006

Thu May 03, 2001 1:06 am

I think the A340-300 will be retired from SIA fleet even before the year 2003.

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RE: SQ 2006

Thu May 03, 2001 1:30 am

The short routes today are handled by Silkair, aren't they? That means that SIA can operate an all widebody fleet and routes where that capacity isn't needed will be operated by Silkair.

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RE: SQ 2006

Thu May 03, 2001 2:26 am

silkair handle routes regional routes, but SQ also flys to eg, surabaya, kuala lumpur... etc.... and well... next time they will fly 10 flights a day to KUL using 777.. while MH uses 737.. tts a big difference..
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RE: SQ 2006

Thu May 03, 2001 2:42 am

SIA won't ditch ALL of their A343s.... like everyone think so. I don't see any difference or "strange" if SIA operated 777 on the SIN-KUL-SIN route. And will the SC be airborne by 2006?
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RE: SQ 2006

Thu May 03, 2001 2:51 am

pardon me, but wats sc?
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SIN-KUL, One Of The Busiest In Asia

Thu May 03, 2001 3:29 am

They shouldn't have any problems utilizing the B777 on the SIN-KUL route. This route is in fact one of the busiest international route in Asia. There are a lot of Malaysian passengers who fly to Singapore for tansit flights in SIN as there are more airlines flying out from SIN, compared to KUL, i.e. Qantas, BA, Lufthansa, Air France, SAS, United etc.

I don't know how well SIA is doing on the SIN-KUL route, but I think they should be doing pretty well on this route, as they had upgraded their aircraft several times, from A310 to B777 on the peak hour flights. Last time, there is only 1 daily B777 flight, but now, there are more than flights on B777 and A343 than before.

As for MAS, the KUL-SIN route was THE MOST profitable international route for MAS. That's why they utilize on B737 on the route, but B777 and A330 during peak hours, and sometimes even a B747 on that route. MAS wants to provide high frequency on that route, as you almost have a flight within an hour or less if you missed one. They should however consider retiring their B737 and replaced them with B737NG or B717 and provide such high frequency to other Asian destinations such as Jakarta, Bangkok, Manila and Hong Kong.

The flight prices are not that cheap as well, at least 100 USD onwards for a return flight, and the journey time is only 55 minutes. Both MAS and SIA do not have any competitors in this route, except among themselves. Among the other carriers to operate on this route is Japan Airlines and Air India. Qantas used to operate on this route, but dropped out when they suspended their Malaysian services.

I am not too sure if the government of both countries give fifth freedom rights on this route to other carriers, but I do know JAL have got fifth freedom rights on this route.

It would be really fun to see the Sonic Cruiser operate on this route, and how short can the flying time be!


RE: SIN-KUL, One Of The Busiest In Asia

Thu May 03, 2001 4:15 am

SC means Sonic Cruiser, Flying-B773. Boeing hopes that SC will get airborne by 2006/07.

Isn't SIA's SIN-KUL is a joint shuttle with MAS? may be MAS did sent some passenger to SIA's plane.

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RE: SIN-KUL, One Of The Busiest In Asia

Fri May 04, 2001 12:52 am

thanxs for the sc, jiml1126

did MAS operate B747 on the sin- kul route? i thought the biggest they operate is A330. Anyway, i think there are more MAS flights while compared to SQ flights rite..
i think B737 is juz the right size..although i dun like the B737.....haha....
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RE: SIN-KUL, One Of The Busiest In Asia

Fri May 04, 2001 1:24 am

The SIN-KUL route is indeed operated jointly by SIA/MAS, which is clearly shown by the same, special check-in area provided by CAAS. And yes, MAS do deploy their 744 on peak hour's services, on top of their A330/777 services.
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RE: SQ 2006

Fri May 04, 2001 1:29 am

To Airbus A380: The A343 aircraft type will be eliminated from the SQ fleet; all of the aircraft ordered, and even those not yet delivered, will be sold as part of the deal with Boeing where SQ purchased a huge number of 777 aircraft. The A343 start leaving the fleet shortly, with the first 3 going to Cathay Pacific under lease. On the Boeing site, you can see that Boeing is offereing the SQ A343 airliners for sale along with one SQ A310-300. I do not think that SQ was unhappy with the A343, it was just part of a very good business deal that they made with Boeing, when this all happened, Airbus was furious (understandable). While I think that SQ will take delivery of their A345 aircraft and use them to open up ultra-long haul routes, there is still some doubt by many observers as to what will really happen after the A343 experience.

I believe that SQ will become one of the largest users of the A380 due to their strong financial position, good reputation and world-leading Singapore hub.

As to smaller aircraft, it has been reported that SQ looked closely at the 764, the 332, and proposed 335 (the A300-sized version of the 330) and so far have passed on all of them. As stated above, if they can keep the 777s close to fill, why bother with a smaller aircraft. Over the years, SQ has operated the 737, 727, 757, A300, DC10; only to quickly eliminate them from their fleet; I think that SQ is very focuesed on flying as few types as possible.

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