Oliver
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Why Did Delta Get Rid Of Their A310?

Thu May 03, 2001 2:06 am

Delta wasn't pleased with the A310-200/300? But why?
 
Ndebele
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RE: Why Did Delta Get Rid Of Their A310?

Thu May 03, 2001 2:22 am

B767-300ER izz da tool!

In other words: DL already had *many* 762s/763s, so it would be stupid to operate 20 A310s in addition. And, the A310 is not able to operate ATL to Europe. DL never operated any Busses, and they probably never will. I love the A310, but it simply didn't fit into Delta's fleet.
 
Oliver
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RE: Why Did Delta Get Rid Of Their A310?

Thu May 03, 2001 2:28 am

so why did they buy the aircraft?
 
Ndebele
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RE: Why Did Delta Get Rid Of Their A310?

Thu May 03, 2001 2:41 am

They got A310s when they took over PAN AM  Crying in 1991(?), plus some PA-orders of which DL had to take delivery. 312s today fly for FedEx, while the 313s fly with several airlines, eg Aeroflot, Air Jamaica, ...
 
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RE: Why Did Delta Get Rid Of Their A310?

Thu May 03, 2001 2:54 am

The A310 didn't fit in to DL fleet and therefore it was sold. But we can hope that we will see som Busses back with DL in the future.

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Ndebele
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RE: Why Did Delta Get Rid Of Their A310?

Thu May 03, 2001 3:11 am

What kind of Busses do you expect, GOT? DL has got 737NG, so no 320s. DL has got 763/772, so no 330/340. And DL never operated 747s (well they did, but that's 20 years ago), so I think the A380 might be a little bit too big for DL.

I don't see DL order Airbus in the near future (next 10 years). Maybe when they replace their 767s. But that will take at *least* 10 years!
 
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RE: Why Did Delta Get Rid Of Their A310?

Thu May 03, 2001 4:31 am

I dont think you will see buses in DLs fleet in the next 30 years. Back in 97 or so American, Delta, and Continental all signed exclusive supplier contracts with boeing. Wich would allow them to get better price w/ boeing. However, when boeing purchased mcdonnel douglas. the EU made boeing and the airlines void the contract. But the deal "informally" still exists according to some insiders.
 
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RE: Why Did Delta Get Rid Of Their A310?

Thu May 03, 2001 6:31 am

The A310 has the range to fly ATL-Europe. I flew an A310 once from CDG-IAH nonstop. It certainly has the range, but not as good of range as the 763. The 763 is also more fuel efficient, and more modern.
 
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RE: Why Did Delta Get Rid Of Their A310?

Thu May 03, 2001 6:36 am

Delta has been using A310s til they found the use of B767s, so B767 is good for long haul between USA & Europe.

A310 is cool too....

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Oliver
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RE: Why Did Delta Get Rid Of Their A310?

Thu May 03, 2001 8:04 am

But Pan Am only ordered the A310-200, didn't they? Why did Delta buy the A310-300???
 
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RE: Why Did Delta Get Rid Of Their A310?

Thu May 03, 2001 8:37 am

Delta got 7 A310-200 and 7 A310-300 from Pan Am when they took over Pan Am europe (there were more Pan Am A310-300 on order but were not delivered); all of the aircraft were on lease and DL was not unhappy with them, they found it a useful aircraft for lower capacity transatlantic routes; DL went on to order 7 more A310-300s which they leased in a complicated arrangment from Airbus. DL did not have the huge fleet of 763ER aircraft that it now has, so the idea was to fly both types: JFK and CVG tended to have more Airbuses at the beginning and ATL more 763s. Range was only a problem with the A310-200 models (which i think Pan Am received second-hand, dont remember for sure) which was certainly not the fault of the aircraft, the 200 series were never really intended to be a transatlatic aircraft. The 200 series flew routes like JFK-BRU and JFK-ATL, plus some transcon, where its range was adequate.

Then a couple of things happened: DL was losing a fortune on its European operation and quickly cut back many of its new European routes, and, at this point in time, DL as a whole was losing lots of money and had to get much more effecient. Since the A310s were all on lease, and since DL decided that only one transatlantic twin was necessary and that would be the 763, the A310s were disposed of. Shame, they were very comfortable planes, their business class cabins were especially nice for the time.

The planes were in storage for a while, the 200 series planes are now with Fedex, the 300 series planes are all over the place, several with former Soviet Union carriers i believe, and some of the newer "built for Delta examples" are with Air Jamaica. The 7 built for Delta A310s had odd registrations; like N___AB (AirBus) I remember.

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