VirginA340
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US Airlines In CPH And AMS

Fri May 04, 2001 2:24 pm

I know that TWA flew to AMS out of JFK and STL
NWA currently flies AMS out of JFK and DTW
CO probably flies there out of EWR to both cities.
But what about the other airlines like PA, UAL, AA, ETC
I 've heard that US Airlines weren't turning too much of a profit at CPH which is why they codeshared with SAS or another airline flying there as their planes werehalf empty. Can anyone care to take a stab?
"FUIMUS"
 
TR
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RE: US Airlines In CPH

Fri May 04, 2001 2:57 pm

No US airlines fly into CPH these days. All who tried simple had to give up to the competition from SAS. Air Canada is the only North American airline offering scheduled services with B767-200 to CPH from YYZ in Star Alliance codeshare with SAS. 5 times weekly in winter and daily in summer. Delta was the last US airline to operate into CPH with their daily service from JFK. This service has no been moved to ARN but I´ve heard that they will have to "surrender" from there as well leaving only American Airlines operation from ARN to ORD on a daily basis. Northwest tried to operate from OSL to MSN with DC-10 but they were not able to make any profit and suspended the service again. The problem for US airlines is that SAS has what you might call a monopol in the skies over Scandinavia. This means that SAS can take very high prices for passengers connecting to other cities than ARN, CPH and OSL. With SAS operating all of it long haul flights out of Copenhagen - exept for the ARN-EWR, ARN-ORD and OSL-EWR routes - I guess most US airlines do not want to open the battle. And with Star Alliance partners United Airlines and Air Canada/Canadian on the "American side" and SAS and Lufthansa in Europe most travellers have exellent connection to all over these continents. However we would love to have more US airlines flying into CPH - but I think we have to think of the old days with Pan Am, Northwest Orient, TWA etc.

Almost forgot - we do see World Airways MD-11s quite often in summer months when they fly in cruise passengers for Baltic Sea cruises. Copenhagen has the largest number of cruise ships departing for cruises in the Baltic Sea region.

Cheers
Thomas
 
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RE: US Airlines In CPH And AMS

Sat May 05, 2001 12:24 am

Thank you for the info TR. I'd like to hear about the other forum members opions about this topic. By the way; when did NWA fly to CPH and when did they pull out? What about TWA,CO,DL at AMS along with the other airlines like PA, AA,etc
"FUIMUS"
 
ARN
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RE: US Airlines In CPH And AMS

Sat May 05, 2001 1:28 am

NWA had a series of different operations to CPH from late 70s through early 90s. New York aswell as Minneapolis and Detroit were served. (Detroit was a onestop-service)The latest service was with DC10-equipment to Boston. Tower Air did pull out a couple of years later and as TR pointed out Delta switched their operations to ARN some years ago. I guess it is tough in CPH given the competition from SK but I am sure that CO will start up in the nearest future.
 
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RE: US Airlines In CPH And AMS

Sat May 05, 2001 1:38 am

There is in fact another US airline that operates to Scandianvia - FedEx. They aren't flying people but anyway Big grin.

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gardermoen
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RE: US Airlines In CPH And AMS

Sat May 05, 2001 2:43 am

I also recall Pan Am flying sometime in the 80s to Oslo and to Bergen as well, very surprisingly.
Apparently CO are looking at Scandinavia, mainly Oslo, but probably also CPH and ARN. So fingers crossed.
 
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RE: US Airlines In CPH And AMS

Sat May 05, 2001 2:56 am

AA never operated to AMS. They complained that the combined KL/NW force was too big and that yields at AMS don't justify a service to AMS (therefore, only codeshare with BD).

As for TW they haven't flown AMS-STL as far as I know. AMS did have AMS-JFK (Tristar, B767 and sometimes a B747) but I've never heard of an AMS-STL service. Currently TW codeshares with RJ (AMS-JFK) and KU (AMS-ORD).

PA served AMS for many years. They've operated the B707, B747, B727 and A310 to AMS. I duess that the B747 and 707 flew on AMS-JFK (I've only seen pictures of these planes). The B727 flew AMS-LHR and onward to DTW (after a plane change at LHR). This was one of the reasons why it took so long before KLM gained traffic rights on AMS-DTW. After PA lossed the LHR hub the began flying the A310 to JFK.

DL flies AMS-ATL for many years now. The flight is currently a MD-11 , but will become a B767 in June. After the collapse of PA, DL took over PA's AMS-JFK flight and used an A310 on this route. Currently the B767 operates AMS-JFK.

United now flies AMS-LHR (B767 onward to SFO), AMS-ORD (B777) and AMS-IAD (B777). They used to fly AMS-LHR with a B727 (the flight taken over from PA).

Finally, US returned a couple of weeks ago to AMS with a B767 to fly AMS-PHL.

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Laurens
 
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RE: US Airlines In CPH And AMS

Sat May 05, 2001 3:07 am

NW airlines flies MIA-AMS daily with a DC-10. along with DFW-AMS. As for US-CPH service, no US airline does it. CPH is not a big market, though I do know SAS flies SEA-CPH and Premiair flies MIA-CPH. There is services out of JFK and/or EWR too, I'm sure.
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usflyer msp
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RE: US Airlines In CPH And AMS

Sat May 05, 2001 5:27 am

NW metal flies:

SEA-AMS
MSP-AMS
DTW-AMS
BOS-AMS
IAD-AMS
MIA-AMS
seasonally
JFK-AMS
EWR-AMS

 
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RE: US Airlines In CPH And AMS

Sat May 05, 2001 6:53 am

"Delta was the last US airline to operate into CPH with their daily service from JFK. This service has no been moved to ARN but I´ve heard that they will have to "surrender" from there as well leaving only American Airlines operation from ARN to ORD on a daily basis."


I contacted Delta and the answer that I got was that they have no plans to discontinue the JFK-ARN route.
 
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RE: US Airlines In CPH And AMS

Sat May 05, 2001 7:37 am

Who did you call at Delta that was in a position to know that Delta was not going to drop ARN? There are probably only 2-3 people at Delta who would know that. Believe me that pilots, flight attendants,reservations and station people would not know this.
 
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RE: US Airlines In CPH And AMS

Sat May 05, 2001 9:44 am

CO also flies into AMS from its EWR hub; first with the DC10, this winter with the 757 and 762s will be introduced shortly (not sure of the date). When CO expands transatlantic service out of IAH, there is a possibility that they will try IAH-AMS, but it is not a priority. CO is also said to be looking at several cities in Scandinavia as expansion possibilities out of EWR, CPN must be on this list, but nothing definite has been decided.

US airlines have had odd relationships with the cities that you mentioned; only in recent years have US airlines really tried to make service to AMS work and the reports are that the yeilds on the AMS flights are so-so. Odd.
 
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RE: US Airlines In CPH And AMS

Sat May 05, 2001 9:59 pm

Who did you call at Delta that was in a position to know that Delta was not going to drop ARN? There are probably only 2-3 people at Delta who would know that. Believe me that pilots, flight attendants,reservations and station people would not know this.

Same question about the original statement: from where was it heard that DL *is* going to drop ARN?

Lars
 
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RE: Bobnwa

Sat May 05, 2001 10:36 pm

It might be like you say that only 2-3 people would know about it. I got this information by sending Delta an e-mail and at least that Delta employee who replied to my e-mail said they had no such plans.