boeing764
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Alitalia Aircraft And The Pope.

Wed May 09, 2001 3:04 am

I was watching the news recently and noticed an Alitalia A321 flying the Pope on his recent trip to the Middle East. Does anyone know if Alitalia specially configures the aircraft that the Pope and his entourage will be flying on? or is it just taken off the line and cleaned up? I have also seen MD11's used on longer trips.
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RE: Alitalia Aircraft And The Pope.

Wed May 09, 2001 3:22 am

I can tell you what AirMalta will do to fly the Pope back to Rome:
They will take out the first three or four rows of seats, and install 4 First Class seats and a table in front of the two pairs. The Pope and his closest Cardinals will sit with him in that cabin, and the rest of the cabin will be full of the rest of his entourage and the press. What is interesting is that only male cabin crew are permitted to serve the Pope during the flight. His Holiness, who is currently in Malta, will fly to Ciampino tomorrow at 1900hrs, probably on board 9H-ABP.
 
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RE: Alitalia Aircraft And The Pope.

Wed May 09, 2001 3:34 am

I think tradition is that AZ flies him wherevere he is going, then teh flag carrier of the next country flies him where he is flying next
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RE: Alitalia Aircraft And The Pope.

Wed May 09, 2001 3:48 am

This is from the Air Malta Website

Preparations are ready at Air Malta for the prestigious task of flying Pope John Paul II back to Rome on the 9th May.

The National Airline had set up an inter-departmental committee to liase with the Vatican and the Maltese Curia for this purpose.

The aircraft chosen for the flight, scheduled to leave tomorrow at 7 P.M., is one of Air Malta's own Airbus A320, which will be specially configured for the occasion. There will be three cabins : the Papal Suite at the front, a middle cabin for the Church Prelates and the other dignitaries accompanying the Pope, and a rear cabin for media representatives covering the Pope's journey. All seats headrests have been specially manufactured with the Papal emblem.

Air Malta has printed a commemorative brochure and prepared souvenirs for this event which will be given to His Holiness and all the other passengers on the flight.

Air Malta Chairman Mr. Louis Grech will be on the special flight accompanying the Pope back to Rome.

The flight has been designated as KM1002 and will be operated by Captain Joseph M. Farrugia. KM1002 was chosen in view of its calendar reference to the 10th of February, St. Paul's Shipwreck day.

His Holiness will be welcomed on board by Captain Farrugia in Maltese, English, Italian and Polish.

This is the second time Air Malta has been honoured with the privilege of flying the Pope to Rome. On the 27th of May 1990, he travelled on an Air Malta Boeing 737-200 Advanced aircraft after a historic three-day Papal visit to Malta.

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RE: Alitalia Aircraft And The Pope.

Wed May 09, 2001 6:02 am

That is true. It is tradition that a carrier from the nation the Pope is visting does the transportation duties. Of course, Atalia flies him from the Vatican. I'm not sure how the airline for the visiting country is determined. TWA has had the duty for the U.S. for the last couple trips. I had the pleasure of working the Pope's visit here in St. Louis a couple of years back. Once in a lifetime experience.
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RE: Alitalia Aircraft And The Pope.

Wed May 09, 2001 10:00 am

Hello!

Just wanted to rectify one thing that has been said previously. The fact that all cabin crew will be male on the Air Malta flight does not come from a directive from the Holly Father. When flying LOT, a great majority of the flight crew are female... so the Pope is neither mysogyneous or affraid of the temptation...

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boeing764
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RE: Alitalia Aircraft And The Pope.

Wed May 09, 2001 3:44 pm

Thanks everyone, that's very informative.
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RE: Alitalia Aircraft And The Pope.

Wed May 09, 2001 3:59 pm

Hello,
I would like to add a thing.
When the Pope comes back to Rome he always lands in Ciampino, not Fiumicino. I think this is because Ciampino is home of the Italian Air Force VIP transport Squadron which uses SH-3D/TS helicopters to bring the Pope to the Vatican City. As I live in Ciampino I always enjoyed his return trip and I remember a Varig MD-11 when he came back from South America and an Alitalia MD-11 when he got back from Cuba (no way the Pope flies Cubana!!!)

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RE: Alitalia Aircraft And The Pope.

Wed May 09, 2001 10:46 pm

I recalled that TWA had the honor the last time of flying him to St Louis from Rome in a 767-300 Before that during the Ichan era TWA flew him in a specially reconfigured 747 and the press following him got 2 L-1011s.
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RE: Alitalia Aircraft And The Pope.

Thu May 10, 2001 2:20 am

The Pope flies on the national carrier of the country he's departing from.
For example:
When he leaves Italy, he flies Alitalia.
Imagine that he goes to France. When he'll come back to Italy, he will fly Air France.

 
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RE: Alitalia Aircraft And The Pope.

Thu May 10, 2001 2:33 am

I always thought that the host nation's airline flies His Holiness to his next destination. But the Greeks did not offer Him a ride to Syria. Shame !
 
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RE: Alitalia Aircraft And The Pope.

Thu May 10, 2001 8:35 am

The Pope uses the airline of the host country, given of course, the airline wants to fly him  Smile

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