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No PTV On Northwest's B 747-400s' Economy Class?

Wed May 09, 2001 7:56 pm

As you may know, Northwest was the first airline to launch PTV on board.

Nevertheless, I found out that there is NO PTV on Northwest's B 747-400 Economy Class. Does anyone know why? I thought they have installed them with PTVs long time ago.

If not, will they be installing PTV on NW's B 747-400 Economy Class?
 
easyjet
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RE: No PTV On Northwest's B 747-400s' Economy Class?

Wed May 09, 2001 8:54 pm

According to them, PTVS are very costly to maintain. Even their 747-200 economy class seats used to have PTVS. However, they were eventually removed.
 
mls515
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RE: No PTV On Northwest's B 747-400s' Economy Class?

Wed May 09, 2001 9:02 pm

Will their new A330's have them?
 
nwa747-400
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RE: No PTV On Northwest's B 747-400s' Economy Class?

Thu May 10, 2001 12:56 am

Even UA had problems in the mid 90s with the 777 PTVs so imagine NW problems when installing and maintaining them on older aircraft.

I think now that the technology is much more advanced (and because everyone else is putting in PTVs), NW will introduce them again with the A330. If they are popular enough, and NW thinks it will make money for them in the long run, they might reconsider the 747-400. Maybe they will realize that most of their competitors are offering long haul PTVs too.

I think the 757-300 will have the flop down screens every few rows.

As far as the A320, A319... I know the A320s originally had audio/video in the form of the flip down screens, but again I think the system they had installed had reliability problems and the newer ones are delievered without IFE and the old ones have had it removed. My hope is that NW will put the IFE back in some of the A320 because some are being used for pretty long haul flights (DTW-SEA, LAX etc) and (MSP-SEA, LAX etc).

 
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RE: No PTV On Northwest's B 747-400s' Economy Class?

Thu May 10, 2001 1:35 am

I see.

Do you think they will ever re-install the PTVs on their B 747-400s as well as B 747-200s?
 
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RE: No PTV On Northwest's B 747-400s' Economy Class?

Thu May 10, 2001 1:43 am

United removed the PTV's from the 777s that are used on domestic routes. They did this to provide a uniform domestic service and a uniform international service. The 747-400s (all of them; used on international only now), 767-300ERs, and 777-200 international all have them.
 
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RE: No PTV On Northwest's B 747-400s' Economy Class?

Thu May 10, 2001 1:49 am

In my opinion, since NWA is not positioned as a premium airline, so I don't think they would re-install PTVs on their 744 or 742 again. It's just too costly to maintain and to install in all NW 747.

regards,
r panda
 
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RE: No PTV On Northwest's B 747-400s' Economy Class?

Thu May 10, 2001 2:15 am

I know UA removed the PTVs from the 777 largely for reliability issues until they contracted a new company.

As far as reinstalling PTVs on NW aircraft. I would say the 747-400s have a decent shot at getting them, but the 747-200s no way.

You are right that NW isnt a premium airline in some ways (so first class suites or inflight massages) but they do offer premium services such as World Business Class (that was just enhanced and will get a brand new seat with the A330), they offer great lounges (everything inther is free), great elite benefits and great technoloy.

NW is doing what NW had traditionally done and that is to provide constistently reliable, convienent service worldwide.
 
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RE: No PTV On Northwest's B 747-400s' Economy Class?

Thu May 10, 2001 8:32 am

I don't think they would reinstall PTVS for economy class. It's mainly because Northwest is not a premium airline, there was a recent reconfiguration of interiors in Northwest 747-200s, it's not cost effective for them to reimplement these enhancements again. Not unless, there is some radical change of policy or business practice.
 
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RE: No PTV On Northwest's B 747-400s' Economy Class?

Thu May 10, 2001 11:43 am

"Northwest is not a premium airline". As much as I think Northwest is a crap airline, with sub-standard service,
dirty old airplanes, surly cabin attendants, and some of
the most disgusting hubs you'll ever have to go through (I am however, optimistic about the DTW midfield terminal as it will give NW a much needed lift in the minds of many travellers), Northwest does have a strong following of business travellers and as such, it does offer a World Business Class designed to cater to them. The airline is spending a lot of $$ revamping its
business class product. I don't think passing them off
as a no premium airline is really fair or accurate. They
do have old airplanes, fewer cabin amenities like the
PTV, and a well earned reputation of being NORTHWORST in many people's minds (this airline does a superb job of proving that it actually hates the people who fly it, judging by the way they are treated),
it is a full service carrier and has aspirations of being something bigger. Hopefully, new planes and some
badly needed facilities will give it a lift and some real
credibility. Being consistently on time isn't enough.

ContinentalEWR
 
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RE: No PTV On Northwest's B 747-400s' Economy Class?

Thu May 10, 2001 3:29 pm

CONTINENTALEWR:

You are constently so harsh on NW. They really are doing a good job latley. If you will notice complaint by passengers are WAAAAY down, baggage handling is good and ontime is good. They are performing just as well (if not better) than CO.

"this airline does a superb job of proving that it actually hates the people who fly it, judging by the way they are treated"-that is a ridiculous comment to make, I can't even think of how to address it other than to say NW treats its passengers the same, if not better, than other US carriers.

I have said it before and I will say it again...There are no first class suites or ptvs (yet) but NW does what people want....get you there ontime, with your bags, with people who are professional about the way they do their work.

I also find it hard to believe that you are so harsh on NW when CO throughout most of the 90s was not a very well reputed airline. NW had about 1 year of bad performance versus CO who had about 7 years but like I have said before NW and CO are partners and I don't want to try and hurt a NW partner. Just remember where CO came from is all I ask.

 
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RE: No PTV On Northwest's B 747-400s' Economy Class?

Thu May 10, 2001 3:51 pm

Nwa747-400:

I agree! E-mail me for further discussion.

Des

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