nwa747-400
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Should NW Expand In Seattle?

Thu May 10, 2001 1:15 am

Does anyone think NW should expand in SEA to make it more like a small hub.

I think with their extensive code shar with Alaska this would be agreat idea.

They already fly

SEA- NRT, KIX, MSP, DTW, MEM, HNL.

I think they should fly some routes to give UA competition. For example, UA is the only airline flying nonstop IAD-SEA and I am sure NW could give UA a run for their money.

Another nonstop route could be MIA-SEA as AA offers only 1 nonstop flight a day.

So here is list of SEA flights I think NW could make BIG money on: either with 757 or A319/A320.

IAD-SEA (4 UA nonstops)
MIA-SEA (1 AA nonstop)
MCO-SEA (no current nonstops)
BOS-SEA (1 AA nonstop)
IND-SEA (no current nonstops)
RDU-SEA (no current nonstops)

What do you think?
 
JAL
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RE: Should NW Expand In Seattle?

Thu May 10, 2001 1:56 am

It is a good idea.
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RE: Should NW Expand In Seattle?

Thu May 10, 2001 2:44 am

If only they would! I know NW used to operate a DC10 nonstop IAD-SEA a few years back (early 90s I think) then it was switched to a 757 before it was totally cut out because NW went to almost exclusive hub-spoke flying.

I wish they would bring it back, along with some other service to SEA and give them a bigger presence at SEA.
 
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RE: Should NW Expand In Seattle?

Thu May 10, 2001 2:51 am

Nwa747-400, NWA also flies to AMS from SEA.

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nwa747-400
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RE: Should NW Expand In Seattle?

Thu May 10, 2001 4:36 am

I totally forgot to pu tthat on their. THANKS!
 
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RE: Should NW Expand In Seattle?

Thu May 10, 2001 5:06 am

Alaska is attempting to start SEA-DCA service, so I'm not sure NW should re-institute SEA-IAD service just yet. Alaska may very well get a hold of the necessary slots, amd NW should wait until Alaska gets it's footing in the new market.

While Alaska/Horizon is by far the largest carrier at SEA, they are limited by the fact that they only fly North-South routes and commuter flights. Alaska made a very smart decision in 1999 by signing Continental and American to the Mileage Plan (NW was already a partner), thus allowing for more East-West feed into SEA, as well as other West Coast airports.

In order to further strengthen the NW/AA/CO/AS presence at SEA, NW/AA/CO should try to both discover untapped East-West markets, and also institute competition with US/UA and DL.

Alaska's huge advantage is their stranglehold on the SEA-ANC market, and I would say Alaska benefits the most from their AA and NW partnerships on this route than any other in their system.
 
nwa747-400
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RE: Should NW Expand In Seattle?

Thu May 10, 2001 5:23 am

I think Alaska should let NW fly the route as it is a route sort of out of line with the rest of Alaska's flying. Sorry- I just really want to see a true NW transcontinental flight!  Smile
 
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RE: Should NW Expand In Seattle?

Thu May 10, 2001 5:43 am

Besides a small handfull of hopefully profitable transcons (BOS/JFK/IAD/MIA-SEA) I cannot really see why NW would need more flights into Seattle. If I wanted to connect onto Asia from say the DC area I could easyily catch one of the many flights to DTW or MSP. On the west coast NW has a decent codeshare network with Alaska and a more limited codeshare with America West on flights from PHX and LAS to LAX and SFO.
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RE: Should NW Expand In Seattle?

Thu May 10, 2001 6:16 am

Domestically, just about everything NW offers out of SEA connects through MSP or DTW. With UA you're going through DEN or ORD, with DL your going through SLC, CVG or even DFW. AA hubs out of ORD or DFW and CO routes through IAH or EWR.

Although NW isn't usually my first choice, it would be nice to have some more non-stop options from SEA when flying to the east coast and down south. If NW opts to do that I think they could achieve some good loads out of SEA.

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nwa747-400
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RE: Should NW Expand In Seattle?

Thu May 10, 2001 7:20 am

I really think they should do it! They would make loads of money. They could just try out a few trascon routes and see how they go, and then expand from their if it worked out.
 
nwa man
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RE: Should NW Expand In Seattle?

Thu May 10, 2001 11:33 am

NW needs a true transcontinental flight, a thing which they have been lacking ever since they pulled the plug on a route that would have been mentioned in Trent's first post had it still been around, that of course being BOS-SEA. Their application for the necessary slots to run SEA-DCA last summer was shot down as the "McCain bill" seemed to favor the smaller carriers.

As far as an expansion from SEA goes, I really don't see this happening unless NW were to begin flying one or two flights to PDX with mainline jets to connect with their Hawaiian nonstops, a route they flew a few years back with a 757, even during their codeshare with Alaska.

MCO-SEA is a possibility, believe it or not...NW007 goes MCO-MEM-SEA-NRT, and is usually full for all legs- maybe NW can realize that SEA is the largest American market without an MCO nonstop... we'll see.

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highflyer16
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RE: Should NW Expand In Seattle?

Thu May 10, 2001 3:07 pm

Actually, Northwest had quite a few transconintental flights out of Seattle back in the early 80s, including Boston-Seattle, JFK-Seattle, and Washington DC-Seattle.

Can anyone from Northwest explain why they dropped those lucrative routes?

Also, can anybody from Northwest tell me what percentage of their domestic passengers are able to reach their destination point to point as opposed to those who must connect through one of their hubs?

I would love to see some actual numbers on this statistic for a study I am doing. Thanks.
 
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RE: Should NW Expand In Seattle?

Thu May 10, 2001 10:56 pm

One thing I noticed about NW is that if the airport is not a hub (NRT, AMS, MEM, DTW, MSP), they usually only fly to hubs, with some exceptions. From MIA, for example, they have MIA-DTW (18x weekly; AA also runs 7x weekly), MIA-MSP (21x weekly; Sun Country has weekly seasonal service), MIA-MEM (14x weekly; only service), and MIA-AMS (7x weekly; MP has 5x weekly as well). They also serve FLL with only to-hub service.
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