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PIT To The West Coast?

Thu May 10, 2001 1:06 pm

Can anybody tell me why no airlines fly nonstop between PIT and the west coast besides US Airways? I would think that United or American would do well if they implemented a few daily flights from LAX or SFO to PIT. I know that most US Airways flights to and from PIT to these cities are very profitable. I would think that UA or AA would have capitalized on these routes earlier eventhough PIT is a US hub. Anybody know why these airlines haven't started West Coast to PIT services? Thanks!
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RE: PIT To The West Coast?

Thu May 10, 2001 1:45 pm

I've wondered the same thing, being a frequent flyer out of PIT to the west coast.
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RE: PIT To The West Coast?

Thu May 10, 2001 2:15 pm

I think its due to US Airways virtual monopoly at its Pittsburgh hub:

Look at all the cities monopolized by just one carrier:
Dallas, St. Louis, Pittsburgh and Charlotte, Minneapolis.

You will find pretty much the same thing:
No competition on most routings (especially long hauls) and truly outrageous fares!

Dallas is a little better because Delta is at least a solid player there, though not nearly what they used to be.

One interesting note about Pittsburgh: United and TWA were strong players there in the 60's and 70's and had most of the primo routes to places like Denver, San Francisco and LA. Allegheny (the original airline that became US Airways) was relegated to short hauls east of the Mississippi. But after deregulation, both airlines quickly abandoned Pittsburgh, even though they could have easily competed against "US Air" as it was called in the early 80's. The reason: Supposedly because those two airlines were more interested in monopolizing hubs of their own, and service to Pittsburgh has never been the same since.

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RE: PIT To The West Coast?

Fri May 11, 2001 9:02 am

Yes up till now. Airtran has arrived to SAVE Pittsburgh. USAirways just lowered the PITT-PHIL walkup fare to $108. no restrictions. That fare starts one day after Airtran starts their flights.

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RE: PIT To The West Coast?

Fri May 11, 2001 11:03 am

Pittsburgh is a fortress hub. US Airways and its affiliates operate over 500 daily flights there, it
is the second biggest hub in the airline's system
after Charlotte.

As for AirTran, they won't be adding flights to
the West Coast any time soon. This is an East
and Midwest-focused carrier and it would get
badly bruised if it went too far West.

Pittsburgh is also a relatively small market. A
lot of West Coast bound and originating pax.
on flights to PIT are going somewhere else.

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RE: PIT To The West Coast?

Fri May 11, 2001 11:26 am

Back in the 60s and early 70s, TWA was the only airline to operate PIT-LAX nonstops, with 707s and 880s. Allegheny was the only airline to have a 'hub' at PIT, although the word (hub) had not been invented yet. The only other major players were UA and NW with 727s, but short haul.

Of course, back then the USAF was still flying C-124s and Allegheny was flying CV-580s and BAC-111s. I remember hearing the BAC-111s flying overhead our baseball field on approach and they sounded like whining bombs. Don't even get me started on Mohawk Airlines...

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RE: PIT To The West Coast?

Fri May 11, 2001 11:35 am

Hub carries usually dominate on trans-con routes. It's the same at MIA, where AA has a hub and UA has a mini-hub:

MIA-EYE (Vail): AA

The only exceptions are MIA-PHX (HP) and MIA-LAS (HP, N7), as well as MIA-YVR (AC).

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