wolfy
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Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 1:26 pm

What a crazy action! Although aircrafts emergency exits are equipped with power assist (They are actually very powerful!), but I guess the pressure at 37,000 won't allow it. Does anybody have an idea of how powerful the pressure is at 37,000 feet?

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May 10, 2001

A passenger on board a KLM flight from Amsterdam to Newark spat on a flight attendant, threatened passengers with a cane and tried to open the emergency exit while in flight.

An official said today that the 28-year-old Dutchman, who was described as "clearly unstable," ignored orders from flight crew to turn off his mobile phone.

He ripped up his passport and said he would hit passengers and flight attendants. He then took a seat in business class, claiming he suffered from claustrophobia.

"At 37,000 feet he decided it was time to go and tried to open the emergency exit," a spokesman said. However, due to the cabin pressure, it was impossible to open the aircraft's emergency door.

Eventually, the man was handcuffed by the captain and guarded by two passengers for the rest of the flight.

Upon arrival in the United States, the man was put on the next flight back to the Netherlands under the supervision of two private security guards.

He was arrested at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport and will face charges of attempting to endanger the lives of passengers, the spokesman said.




 
flyf15
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 1:54 pm

Well, I have no solid numbers here, but I'm going to guess the pressure differential is at least 4 psi. If that is indeed the case, and the door has a surface area of say 8 sqft, we're looking at (with these estimates, which I believe to be quite modest) a force of 5000 pounds.
 
JETPILOT
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 2:00 pm

Cabin differential is approx 8-9 PSI depending on A/C.

No one is opening any door at 37,000 feet.

Emergency exits are more like 3 square feet.

JET
 
SailorOrion
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 2:01 pm

the pressure differential is about 60kPa, the door is about 2m by 0.8m , the force is then 96kN or about 10 tonnes!.

It happened to me, too. During some quite intense CATs a passenger turned a little nuts and screamed: I'm getting outta here, and tried to leave the plane. that was at about FL330. Not a funny flight  Sad

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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 2:05 pm

What a world ... I never knew that Pilots carry handcuffs with them ... but it is a nice way to upgrade yourself into business class ... I should give it a try.
 
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 2:10 pm

Either the movie or the food was really bad!!
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wolfy
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Handcuffs

Fri May 11, 2001 2:13 pm

I don't know about other airlines, but AC carries the plastic strips which is very hard to break in their cockpit. It can be cut off with a special kind of scissors but they cannot tie up the passenger to a fixed part of the aircraft in case if anything happens. It's kindda weird that they will keep you in J class, I believe those rude and uncontrollable PAX r tied up in the last role of the Y cabin.

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deltaflyertoo
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 2:32 pm

This opening the door thing is becoming so popular. Every week a different flight has someone who tries to open the door inflight. It doesn't make sense!
 
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 2:46 pm

"Look at me I'm superman mummy! I can open the door at 13km up!"
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hisham
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'

Fri May 11, 2001 3:05 pm

But doesn't the pressure help in this case? There is more air inside pushing outwards.

Hisham.
 
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 3:53 pm

The door is a plug door. The larger the cabin differential the tighter it's sealed.

JET
 
Mr.BA
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 4:26 pm

I think in some aircrafts, the pilots can put the door controls in the cockpit to auto and the door cant be opened no matter what... i think this applies to the 744 and 777s.. other a/c i not sure

Anyone confirm it?

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shankly
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 4:31 pm

Was it one of their MD11's? If so, don't blame the poor chap.

Was once on a Continental 737 Atlanta-Houston, when a pax a couple of rows ahead started playing up (incredibly complaining about the coke brand!). Not a pleasant experience.
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IndianGuy
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 6:34 pm

Doesnt the FA seal the doors and put some kinda red-tag on the handle? Or is it the pilot?
 
El Al 001
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 8:06 pm

I've seen the red-tag on the 757 of El Al
 
Shamrock105
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 9:58 pm

The aircraft in question was a Boeing 767 300 ER, don't know what particular aircraft in the KLM Fleet.
 
matt
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 10:03 pm

The FAs use the red tag to indicate that the door is "armed". Doors are armed before the aircraft starts moving and disarmed once the aircraft stops at the gate. That's what the crew does when you hear "Prepare doors for departure/arrival" or "Arm and cross-check".
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 10:07 pm

Perhaps he was distraught over the Chinese squirrels being sent through the shredder courtesy of KLM. Either way with the cabin pressure stabilized at 8-9 psi at this altitude one must learn that you need to compress this volume of air over the whole area of pressurized areas of the aircraft in order to get this door open if you wish to terminate your flight. Maybe if you have a tank on board pulling at the door from inside you can succeed. Even if you have a tight plane without many air leaks and just the ground air conditioning hose hooked up on the ground you cannot enter unless you have a car or a crash axe as even at .5 psi you will not get in by yourself.
 
El Al 001
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Fri May 11, 2001 10:26 pm

At El Al they say: "Doors to automatic/manual"....
 
baec777
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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Sat May 12, 2001 12:51 am

This is similar to the incident that happened on British Airways from London, UK to Kenya, a man attacked the crews on board sending the plane in full steep decent....


What you guy think of these 2 unstabled passengers.... ??


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RE: Passenger Tries To Open Emerg. Exit At 37,000'!

Sat May 12, 2001 1:05 am

I think he took the word "The flying Dutch Man"too seriously  Smile
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