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What's Different About These L-1011's?

Mon May 14, 2001 6:36 pm

Can anyone spot the subtle difference between these two ATA L-1011's? (pretty obvious I guess)?


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But what I really want to know is.........Why this difference exists?

Anybody?
 
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RE: What's Different About These L-1011's?

Mon May 14, 2001 6:54 pm

Well, when one photographer took the photo he was on the left side of the a/c, and the other photographer was on the right side of the a/c.
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RE: What's Different About These L-1011's?

Mon May 14, 2001 7:14 pm

One's a baby Tristar.
 
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RE: What's Different About These L-1011's?

Mon May 14, 2001 8:10 pm

The first one is a L-1011-500. There are many differences, what are you referring to??
 
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RE: What's Different About These L-1011's?

Mon May 14, 2001 9:16 pm

One has the baby emergancy exit at the very back the other has it second to the back.
 
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RE: What's Different About These L-1011's?

Mon May 14, 2001 11:56 pm

The top one is one of the 500's that was converted to a 4 door config. The doors came from chopping of a full size door on a Tristar that was being broken up. It also is so we can operate the aircraft with the maximum amount of passengers. The lower one is the standard length 1/100. I hope this helps.
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RE: What's Different About These L-1011's?

Tue May 15, 2001 2:34 am

Rich International pioneered hig-density seating on the L1011-500. Their one and only -500, acquired shortly before they went belly up, was the first of its kind retrofitted with the additional small exit doors just aft of the wing. If you search the photos, you will find pictures of ATA's new L15's in this configuration now.

Here's a thread that talks about the door configuration in more detail:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/258364/
 
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RE: What's Different About These L-1011's?

Tue May 15, 2001 12:13 pm

OK.....I got it now.

Since the caption of the top pic does not say "-500", I was assuming it was the longer -1 or -100 model. It looked about the same length to me.

But when I look more closely I can see you guys are right........the top one is a -500 short model, with the add-on mini exit door.

That's the difference I wanted explained.....why the narrow door was at the very rear of the one plane, and second-from-the-back on the other. But now I can see that it's a -500 and was modified after being built.

Thanks for the help here.

BTW........Are those exits with the ultra-slim door equipped with the plastic slides? Would have to be a pretty narrow slide huh? Or does it fully inflate into a regular-sized slide when somebody pulls the switch/cord?

Also: How narrow is this door? Would a hefty-sized football player have any trouble getting out this exit do you think?
 
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RE: What's Different About These L-1011's?

Tue May 15, 2001 4:12 pm

The answer is very simple - ATA operate their L15s in a high density configuration, and the FAA has a requirement that exits must be no more than x number of feet away from y number of passengers. As ATA is the only US charter operator of the L15s, it's the only company to have modified their aircraft, using the aft doors off longbody L1011s. They are designed for one passenger to exit at a time; whereas the wide ones are designed for two pax to exit at a time.

All of ATA's -500s came from Royal Jordanian.

Incidentally, only British Airways had the double sized doors in the aft position on their longbodied L1011s - that's why the Caledonian aircraft are currently equipped to carry 393 pax, versus around 350 pax for 'normal' longbodies.