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Further QF Expansion - Into SE Asia/Pacific

Mon May 14, 2001 9:16 pm

Qantas likes to be big, we can see this now with their desire to take over Impulse, start-up in NZ, possibly start up a discount international carrier and merge regional airlines to form Qantas link. All in the space of a few months.

IF all this happens, and some of it is still uncertain, where to next????

I think Qantas should use their reputation into SE Asia/Pacific and build up a network there.

1. Air Nuigini is in trouble. Though the political situation is admittedly very unstable, I can see a definite future in taking over this airline which I think wants to be privatised. PX flies to SIN, a major QF hub as well as many services into CNS, BNE and SYD using ageing F28s and A310s. QF could buy further 717s for some Australian regional services and replace the F28s with 146s. The A310 (only one left I think) could be substituted by a 762 or 763. Current international flights could be maintained, creating a partial "join the dots" approach on QFs regional network, such as Easyjet is doing successfully in Europe. Of course, domestic flights would also be maintained, with QF's experience probably providing much needed expertise to the network.

2. Air Pacific has always been a close partner of Qantas, no more so than now. Despite the problems at present, Fiji has a bright future in Tourism and furthermore FJ is a well run professional airline. If QF bought it out, or even just franchised it, it would give QF a much stronger presence in the pacific and erode the stranglehold that AirNZ holds there (there is nothing QF would like to do more). It also opens up further routes to Japan, the US as well as making the considerable Fiji-Australia/NZ 'Qantas' flights rather than codeshares. Then there is the great Pacific network which may be only marginally profitable but would give QF a great reach into the region, giving it the lions share of travel from people from Europe/US to the pacific (by virtue of the fact they would be the only convenient option).

3. Before a spat with Hong Kong, QF successfully (as far as I know) operated the 'golden triangle' services between Hong Kong, Bangkok and Singapore. Most of these services have gone and with QF's supposed alliance through oneworld with CX (an uneasy one I am sure - no record of any cooperation between the two) they are unlikely to restart. However a similar idea could be introduced linking other QF asia destinations.

Any comments as to the likelihood/feasibility/success of such ventures????
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RE: Further QF Expansion - Into SE Asia/Pacific

Mon May 14, 2001 9:54 pm

Expansion into Asia???

What did QF do a couple of months ago?

1) Announce the suspension of services to CHINA (and Canada)

In the last few years, they've cut services to KUL, CTS (Sapporo), Seoul, and reduced capacity to Jakarta and Bangkok.

Why would they reverse all that NOW?

Besides, 65% of all international profits come from the US routes, with their new aircraft, they'd rather pull the B747-438 they have on the HKG route and put it onto the US. Replace them with the A330-300's they've ordered.

Right now, they have to rationalise, rather than expand, because their domestic operations have been causing them concern. Oh, and QF does not have a good reputation among Asians generally, do correct me if I'm wrong.

South Pacific routes are heavy with tourists and therefore have low yields, to enter the market with aircraft poorly configured for the purpose is to invite disaster.


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RE: Further QF Expansion - Into SE Asia/Pacific

Tue May 15, 2001 11:33 am

Why doesn't QF have a good relationship with asian people ???
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RE: Further QF Expansion - Into SE Asia/Pacific

Tue May 15, 2001 11:47 am

I like QF too, but it comes to my attention that most asian people feel that Asian service on Asian carriers is better ( I agree to that )
eg. Singapore Airlines and Thai have better reputations for service.
US and Australian Airlines are nowhere near the standards of SERVICE as Asian carriers.

As for expantions, I wish!
They also dropped BNE-Taipei for a codesharing operation with EVA Air
People also say that service on QF is better if your flying from or to america

Spirit of Australia

RE: Further QF Expansion - Into SE Asia/Pacific

Tue May 15, 2001 12:29 pm

Please don't compare australian service to American service its just cruel (jks). I wasn't deffending QF i was just asking why QF isn't liked by asian people. Does anyone know if AN is liked any better?
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RE: Further QF Expansion - Into SE Asia/Pacific

Tue May 15, 2001 1:18 pm

AN is much higher on the Asian list when it comes to acceptance of foreign carriers. When Ansett sarted flying into Asia they geared their service on Asians (us Aussies are happy as long as there is a bar service). Even the AN international flight numbers are in the "800-899" series, as Asians see the number "8" as a lucky number (not sure if this is universal or country specific).

I believe when AN were looking for B747's to start their Asian operations, one of the strictest priorities was that the galley must be able to accomodate a steamer oven. Now that's a targetted product........

I suppose QF's service was originally based around the Empire, and satisfying the English speaking World. It takes a long time to change a culture like that, and equally as long to gain the respect of the Asian market.


RE: Further QF Expansion - Into SE Asia/Pacific

Tue May 15, 2001 2:46 pm

QF should have bought part of MAS and then sent all QF F/A's on a in service at the MAS F/A school, not that QF's service is that bad it's just that it isn't the best.
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RE: Further QF Expansion - Into SE Asia/Pacific

Tue May 15, 2001 3:27 pm

I'm sure if it wasn't their (QF) exceptional safety record, people would regard them as not a good airline. Like Air China-- a national airline (full stop).

I don't dislike Qantas (I have no reason to), but I just think that they should improve their customer service in a violent way...

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RE: Further QF Expansion - Into SE Asia/Pacific

Tue May 15, 2001 4:11 pm

QF does not have a good reputation among Asians generally, that 's true. I am a HongKong student in Melbourne, all my schoolmates who are from Singapore ,Malaysia or Hong Kong are dislike Qantas.I think it's because almost all major asian airlines are better than QF in terms of aircraft or services on board.
Personally, i fly from Hong Kong to Melbourne here in Janurary this year, that was actually the worst flying experience that i ever had, there was no entertainment(which to very important to asian market especially in the HongKong marlek i believe) I remembered that i listened to the same CD 3 times during the 9 hours flight in the audio channel.The serivice was at least worst than Ansett from what i hear, my friend who fly AN had unlimitied ice-cream and wine along the flight and i got nothing on QF! And one more thing, QF 88 which is from HKG to MEL use 767-300 only, well it 's a 9 hours flight which a spacious aircraft will make big difference, even most of my friend who don't know so much about aviation chosed to fly CX or SIA because they like to fly a bigger aircarft and feel more comfortable in a 747 or a A340!! The only advantage of QF is the timetable is much better than other airline, but i would rather wait to have a real superior service and it 's only aus$ 20 more to fly CX or same price with QF on AN or a lower price than QF by SIA with a stopover in Singapore!! How come QF can compete in the asian market?
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RE: Further QF Expansion - Into SE Asia/Pacific

Tue May 15, 2001 5:03 pm

I flew Qantas, SIA and QF all to Hong kong before. I have to say, Qantas can still stay in the asian market if they just improve their inflight entertaintment (PTVs? i think they will have it soon) and their flight attendants should smile more often and enjoy their job!  Smile

Meanwhile, out of the 3 of them, QF pilots showed a higer level of proffesionalism.

2 cents worth

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RE: Further QF Expansion - Into SE Asia/Pacific

Wed May 16, 2001 12:51 pm

Never fly with QF and never have the interest to fly with them. Why? Have enough with their ground staff! SQ and CX used QF as the ground handling agent in Perth. Ansett ground staff are far much better than QF in general, at least the machine didn't stuff up all the time with the 'overwork but yet underpaid' type of attitute on the staff in QF.

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