Mr.BA
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SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Tue May 15, 2001 3:32 pm

Hello everyone,

Just one disappointing note, SIA emailed me and states in the email this:

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Dear Mr Yip

Thank you for your email.

We do appreciate your interest to visit the cockpit on our flights,
however, due to some air transport regulations, cockpit visits are no
longer allowed due to security and flight safety reasons. Our technical
crew are therefore not allowed to permit cockpit visits. We are indeed very
sorry to disappoint you.

Best regards.
P P Khong
Customer Relations


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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Tue May 15, 2001 4:09 pm

Whatever Mr. BA! Who cares!

Just ask the captain. I'm sure they're nice enough (hopefully!)

I hope you get yer flight deck visit. For yours and my sake!

Good luck!

See you on MSN maybe!
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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Tue May 15, 2001 4:27 pm

I am going to ask definately everytime i fly with them, but quite disappointing an email from them in this way. Sad

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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Tue May 15, 2001 5:18 pm

One more f...... airline that keeps pax out of the cockpit. One more reason not to fly SQ any more. It's good we have CX, SW , IB and many others that still allow people joining even landings and take-offs.
'Increase safety'....maybe some airlines just fear that pax could watch unprofessionalism on the flight deck...
If pilots are good they don't have to hide...just like with CX, SW and IB who all allowed cockpit landings!


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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Tue May 15, 2001 6:09 pm

I was on the jumpseat for the landing into Changi a couple of days ago from DXB - no problem getting access to the flight deck. I was in First Class, which might have a bearing, though!
 
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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Tue May 15, 2001 8:35 pm

By the way, i was in Economy Class for my flights from beijing to Singapore and from Singapore to Perth, the captain must have felt he was GOOD enough to let me in wasn't he? I've not flown on CX so I can't comment.
 
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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Tue May 15, 2001 8:49 pm

UDO
Don't you think that pilots deserve their own privacy in their working environment. I am a training pilot and a real genuine aircraft lover that always asks for a flight deck visit and get knocked back most of the time, but I am not annoyed at that, you just gotta respect the pilots and their needs. I am sure if you were a pilot for a major airline flying your favourite jet, there would be many flights where you'd say, I am sorry, not today. Otherwise quite likely you'd always have one member in civil clothes on the flght deck on every flight.

As for Mr. BA, I think you should ask on the flight like Singapore-air says for a cockpit visit.
Anyway also good luck to you with cacthing the Wunala, Nalanji and city of Melbourne side by side, I believe you will catch them eventually.

See ya
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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Tue May 15, 2001 8:56 pm


Probably every airline will email you this if you ask for a cockpit visit !
Just ask the f/a, she'll ask the captain and most of the time it works.

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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Wed May 16, 2001 12:15 am

Yes. Hopefully you'll get it

And thanks for flying Singapore Airlines!
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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Wed May 16, 2001 9:24 am

Like I stated in a similar thread-

"Rules were meant to be broken"

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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Wed May 16, 2001 3:58 pm

I was talking about airlines which GENERALLY stop cockpit visits, not about some pilots who decide on their own.
As long as pilots don't mind, why not let people in? An airline that generally denies cockpit visits acts ignorant and does not even increase safety!

I spent a whole flight on Air Namibia's B744 in the cockpit and the captain said whenever anybody asks he allows a visits. Of course, if traffic or any other circumstances are not critical. That's what I mean.
A friend recently flew Emirates and the pilots would have let him landing in the cockpit but the company doesn't allow it. That's just BS. Let the captain decide, that's what I mean.
Not the coach potatoes sitting on their fat asses somewhere far away in their headquaters.

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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Wed May 16, 2001 7:05 pm

B737-700,

Someone from our Aussie message boards just organised a jumpseat ride on Freedom Air (Air NZ subsidiary) from Australia to New Zealand via email. It is also possible to organise jumpseat rides via telephone on airlines such as Ansett.

In my experience it's best to ask onboard (on airlines that permit cockpit vits). Once the crew get to know you, they'll most likely let you stay (as long as you are of a good character, which I assume is the case).

In that respect, Lufthansa ist ganz toll! They even let you in for takeoff in some instances.

Cheers,

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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Wed May 16, 2001 7:23 pm

GOOD FOR SIA!!!!!

Pax shouldn't (as a general rule) be allowed up front anyway. Never know what might happen.

Remember the time when the Captain's little boy was actually allowed to TAKE THE YOKE of a jetliner!!

Seconds later, it plummetted to the ground!!

There's always exceptions to all rules I suppose. But I certainly don't think every Thomas, Richard, & Harold should be allowed in the cockpit in-flight just to satisfy an enthusiasts' "need" to see the front office!

Anybody else agree?
 
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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Wed May 16, 2001 8:12 pm


Skystae, yes that's right. LH has allowed me some landings and even one take-off (incl. the whole flight).
It was great.

Cheers,
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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Thu May 17, 2001 1:53 am

Until there's a definite way of distinguishing a genuine enthuthiast from a terrorist wanting to diable the pilots, I think it's quite fair to disallow cockpit visits.
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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Thu May 17, 2001 3:23 am

How about being searched or checked with metal dectotor, I would't mind.
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RE: SIA Doesn't Allow Deck Visit

Thu May 17, 2001 12:20 pm

I agree with 757PF.
 
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Udo

Thu May 17, 2001 9:58 pm

Hi Udo,I read your post but I think you are a little "emotionally overreacting".
I totally respect all you real aviation lovers like seeing the front office and also seeing this as a good opportunity to learn about planes and stuff from the first hand but you have to look from the pilots perspective.Try to imagine that until you arrive there with all your politeness and enthusiasm how many stupit conversations happened between the pilots and the visitors.(I've witnessed somebody opening the cockpit door and asking where the toilet is)I used to try to spend every minute of opportunity in the flight deck whenever I am allowed, now I am a brand new airline pilot started to work for a charter airline from Turkey.The truth is not every visitor is nowledgeable like most of the people here in forum but just want to see how it looks like.We are trying not to reject people but sometimes visitors are acting like pilots only duty is to entertain the visitor.Some have the attitude of Autopilot is flying the airplane you two just sitting and drinking coffee so just answer my questions don't waste time.They are asking basicly a" short flight training"in the mean time what is this,where are we,when are we arriving?They don't think that I am actually too busy to listen to the radio calls and monitor whats going around me and have to respond correctly to ATC instructions.Once we had a famous singer in the cockpit.She was sitting in the jumpseat and watching around and she wanted to seem polite,thankful that she is allowed in there and trying to seem like she is interested.During the take off roll everything was OK,as we rotated he felt the first feeling of aircraft climbing and she touched the captains shoulder and asking "captain is the airpressure a little bit much today or am I wrong?"The plane was 100 feet above the runway luckily it was not his take off.The nonprofessionals can not be awere what they do can be disasterious.And as being private in the cockpit.Think again if you want to be disturbed all the time whan you work at your office.Being unprofessional in the cockpit:hardly acceptable.But ofcourse there are somethings we don't want you to see.For example as I said I am a brand new airline pilot,During 3-4 hour flights I am studying.I am trying to read,ask if anything not clear in my mind to my experienced captain,study the taxi in procedure of an airport which I am flying for the first time,how to find my way from rwy to the gate for example.(Being the first timer on the airports like Charles De Guelle,Amsterdam,Frankfurt Main...etc is really a pain)And also we untie our tie,sit in a relaxed manner,maybe eating dinner and when a passenger comes in you have to behave more seriously,like correct your tie,change the way you sit maybe stop eating not to be seem like not caring about what is going on or the other pilot has the controls and radio while you eat,so when the visitor asks a question he won't miss anything from the radio.
These are some example that I am giving.Sometimes people come with better attitude,behave responsibly and the progress of flight permits(like you are not trying to avoid CBs or preparing for approach)and we also like chatting with them.You see I am 28 years old and most of the captains are over 50 we don't have anything in common to talk for 10-12 hours sometimes ,when somebody different comes its some relaxation for us too.And if the visitor is a beautiful young lady its even better Smile Smile Smile
As a last word I myself trying to help everybody who doesn't act boring in the cocpit as I was in their shoes not long ago.And to those who says "rules are maid to be broken"you are in a very wrong place buddy.The rules are written here with blood and the cemeteries full of people with your kind of thinking.
Safest flights to you all,Have fun with your cockpit rides.WING
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RE: Udo

Thu May 17, 2001 10:45 pm

My friend arrived from Hong Kong to Singapore on SIA, well, he was declined a visit!

Oh well... thanks for the replies by the way!

alvin
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