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Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 3:19 pm

Has Lufthansa ever been involved in a fatal/non fatal crash of any kind? Please list their accidents. Thanks!
 
AJ
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 3:26 pm

Unfortunately the first loss of a 747 in revenue operation was a Lufthansa aircraft.
The accident was caused by the failure of the leading edge flaps causing the aircraft to settle back on to the ground after take off from Nairobi.
Terrible.
 
 
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 3:29 pm

Hi AJ,

The aircrew of that flight failed to deploy leading edge slats, and the a/c stalled soon after TO.

Locals apparently began to steal baggagge & pax possessions, after the a/c had crashed.

The ATC'er was initially blamed, but the investigation subsequently found the aircrew had simply forgotten to deploy the slats.

Rgds,
CP
 
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 3:32 pm

Just seen the report. I can tell you that that is not the complete truth behind the story!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Rgds,
CP
 
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 3:33 pm

LH also crashed a B747 Freighter in South America and the latest accident happened in Warsaw where the crew wasn't able to stop an A320 on the runway (which was caused by the plane's automatic). It crashed into a hill and burned out, two people died.
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 3:34 pm

Capt.Picard

I don't know anything about this story. COuld you give some short details of the complete truth behind the story?

Regards
Gerardo
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AJ
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 3:36 pm

Capt. Picard,
The 747-100 did/does not have a separate leading edge flap (not slats) selectors, and also did not have warning indicators if the flaps were not deployed. The flaps failed to deploy because of incorrect valve alignment. Another time and place and the aircraft might have made it, but the hot and high conditions of Nairobi caused the aircraft to crash abeam the Nairobi to Mombasa road.
The rear of the aircraft was destroyed on impact, but those seated between the wings and forward were able to escape, including the technical crew. Looters did cause havoc with the accident investigation.
There is an amazing book on the subject written by a survivor.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 3:38 pm

 
AJ
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 3:41 pm

Sorry to dwell, but check out these photos!
http://www.airsafetyonline.com/photos/lufthansa540/1.shtml
 
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 6:17 pm

They also had a few 707 crashes.
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 7:22 pm

What were the 707 crashes?

I've been impressed with their maintenance of aircraft, it's quite good (even with the older 737s). As for their pilots, they reminded me of AN pilots at home - willing to have fun, but very professional.

In other news, I can't believe that Swissair still has a section dedicated to SR111 on its website - it's clearly shown under Media. It does have a picture of a memorial, but do you want to remind pax of this tragedy, especially when the last press release was in 1999.

Cheers,

Justin
 
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 8:47 pm

There was also a crash in Warsaw with an A320. The aircraft landed under bad weather conditions and something happened, but Ican't remember the details.

Gerardo
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 8:58 pm

Hi AJ,

Thanks for your info; I do not know which account is true, but a friend of mine was the ATCO at NBO who gave the LH crew the clearance for TO.

He was placed into custody by the Kenya police immediately after the incident, until [it was uncovered that the aircrew had failed to "select" leading edge flaps.

The Captain, in his "defence" had complained that the sun was in his eyes during the line-up, and could not verify whether all instruments were annunciating, or x-check them etc.]

I know this goes against everything you have said, but that was the version I was told by the ATCO!!??

I'm guessing he may have a reason not to tell the truth either.....perhaps he should have noted whether the flaps had extended?

Rgds,
CP
 
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 9:35 pm

About the A320 at WAW :
The aircraft skidded off the end of the runway during landing. The aircraft touched down with sink rate low enough that the onboard flight computers did not consider it to be "landing," which inhibited thrust reverse and brake application for nine seconds.
The runway was wet and Aquaplaning was reported as well as tail wind.

Rgds,
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Wed May 16, 2001 11:06 pm

Does anybody know the reg. of the 747-100 that crashed in Nairobi? I know it was called "Hessen". And while I'm at it does anybody know the reg. of the A320 that crashed at WAW in 1993? Thank you in advance.
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Thu May 17, 2001 12:26 am

These are the registrations:

The 747 was D-ABYB

The A320 was D-AIPN.

Michael  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Thu May 17, 2001 12:39 am

In the early 90s, a LH CityLine Dash 8-300 (operated by Contactair) crashed while aproaching CDG. 4 people died.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Thu May 17, 2001 5:03 am

I was at Heathrow in the early 1960s when one of their 720s landed with the nosegear retracted.

Lots of sparks and noise but a very accomplished feat of airmanship and prompt action by the fire brigade meant no serious damage was done and the aircraft was repaired and back in the air within a few weeks.

Other accidents from the past include (in no particular order):

B707,17718, D-ABOB, DBR Sana'a Yemen 9/8/77
B720,18058, D-ABOK, W/O Ebersheim 4/12/61
B707,18643, D-ABOT, W/O New Delhi, 20/12/73

Nothing to do with LH, but just whilst writing, the KAL 747 shot down by the Russians was ex LH
 
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Thu May 17, 2001 5:16 am

hi!

here you can find accidents-stats of various airlines around the world.
http://www.aerointernational.de
click on "Unfallstatistik"

stephan
 
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Thu May 17, 2001 6:47 am

afaik, the only tragic accidents were the one of the 741 in NBO and the a320 in WAW, i´m pretty sure the other mentioned crashes in the past of 720s, and 707s were only incidents.
however, i believe that LH also had some crashes with one or two lockheed constellations and some other prop aircraft of that time...

regarding the WAW incident: afaik there have been three major factors contributing to the crash, of which two were already mentioned. af first, the runway was too wet and it was in such a bad shape that the drainage system didn´t work, so no water ran off the runway. 2nd, the thing with the too low sink rate and that flight computers did not consider it to be "landing," which inhibited thrust reverse and brake application for nine seconds is also correct. in addition, the aircraft touched down too late, meaning that the aircraft didn´t land on the first third or the first 800m of the runway which is about the usual touch-down area. under normal circumstances that wouldn´t have been a problem, but the bad runway and the computer thing added onto that and so we´ve once again got our chain reaction of unlucky incidents leading to a crash...

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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Thu May 17, 2001 7:21 am

Johnnybegoode et al,

It took me about ten minutes to search and verify the following.

I'm not "pretty sure" of its accuracy, I'm certain as it comes from official German sources:

Lufthansa accidents where the aircraft was written off, since 1955 in reverse order:

14.09.1993 Airbus A.320 D-AIPN 2 killed 70 on board
Lufthansa Warszawa-Okecie APT

06.01.1993 DHC-8 D-BEAT 4 killed 23 on board
Lufthansa Cityline Paris-Charles de Gaulle

26.07.1979 Boeing 707 D-ABUY 3 killed 3 on board
Lufthansa Petropolis

20.11.1974 Boeing 747 D-ABYB 59 killed 157 on board
Lufthansa Nairobi-Jomo Kenyatta IAP

20.12.1973 Boeing 707 D-ABOT 0 killed 109 on board
Lufthansa Delhi; nr

28.01.1966 Convair CV-440 D-ACAT 46 killed 46 on board
Lufthansa Bremen; nr

15.07.1964 Boeing 720 D-ABOP 3 killed 3 on board
Lufthansa Ansbach; nr

04.12.1961 Boeing 720 D-ABOK 3 killed 3 on board
Lufthansa Ebersheim; nr

11.01.1959 Lockheed L-1049 D-ALAK 36 killed 39 on board
Lufthansa Tubiacanga Beach




 
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Thu May 17, 2001 10:47 am

They also ran a B747 off the side of the runway at Hong
Kong's old Kai Tak airport.
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RE: Lufthansa Ever Involved In A Crash?

Thu May 17, 2001 12:20 pm

they have nad 4 or 5 crashes with deaths. not bad but then again zero is a better number.