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The Future Of Low-cost Airlines In Europe

Mon May 21, 2001 5:11 pm

Ryanair starts new hub in Bruxelles south,Easyjet will improve its scheduled,Go and Buzz think about some new hubs,and in South Europe (Spain and Italy) no low cost flying on very profitable domestic routes.So do u think that in the future some low cost will start to operate in south Europe?? And do you think is it right call some airport with the namr of a important town far more than 50km (I mean Hahn with Frankfurt,Charleroy with Bruxelles,Nykoping with Stockholm,Torp with Oslo,Treviso with Venice,and so on..)??
But the future it's low cost airlines??

RE: The Future Of Low-cost Airlines In Europe

Mon May 21, 2001 5:24 pm

Interesting question.

I am an avid fan of no-frills airlines-I think they are the best thing since sliced bread!-especially since I live fairly close to Stansted!

Whether they will survive is a question I can't answer-I expect it depends what the break-even load factors are for those airlines, and by how much companies such as Ryanair, are able to surpass those break-even load factors (maximising the difference between acheived and break-even load factors).

Their continued success might also depend on their ability to sustain extremely low overheads-by contracting out all but essential activities to third parties-although there have been some questions raised as to the safety implications (if any) of contracting out the maintenance checks/catering etc. etc.

I suppose one advantage of their lower fares is that almost all of us will be able to afford to fly with no-frills airlines, even during hard times-fuel prices & taxes must be a pain for them though.

Has Buzz actually made a profit yet?

My 0.01p!

Yes, I do think that in some cases, Ryanair claim they fly into "Stockholm" or "Frankfurt", when in actual fact they fly into other cities.

Perhaps they should advertise the fact that they fly to "Hahn"-(Only 50k's from Frankfurt! Big grin ). But then their ads might not catch the eye of the newspaper reader.

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RE: The Future Of Low-cost Airlines In Europe

Mon May 21, 2001 7:52 pm

I think that calling an airport with the name of an important town which is far from the airport is not a specific feature of low cost airlines because here in Italy for example we call Milano Malpensa (MXP) an intercontinental airport quite far from Milan and really close to Varese, and Milano Orio is an airport close to Bergamo.
I think that low-cost airlines can have a very profitable future because I realize that a lot of people now fly on their planes. If you consider that all their flights aren't long, I can accept not to have free meals or beverages and the seat assignation. It's not a problem and flight are enjoyable.
I've flown on Ryanair 738s and I can only say that they're really kool!!!!!

RE: The Future Of Low-cost Airlines In Europe

Mon May 21, 2001 8:38 pm

Yes, I forgot to add that in some cases, airports that "frills" airlines fly into, can be quite a ride away from the city.

I had heard that many airlines complained about having been forced to move to MXP.

Also, is not the new airport in Sepang, quite a bit further out from downtown KL than the old Subang?

All of the majors with services to Buenos Aires serve Ezeiza, which is also quite a while away from downtown Bs.As.


RE: The Future Of Low-cost Airlines In Europe

Mon May 21, 2001 8:47 pm

Ryanair have certainly led the way with low cost flights within Europe, it doesnt matter that they are using 3rd level airports miles from the named city as they supply a direct bus service directly into these cities.

Flying with them to BVA and getting from there to the center of Paris is easy and a lot less stressful than using CDG.

It will however be interesting to watch their future now that they have to pay for new aircraft rather than old 737-200's.
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RE: The Future Of Low-cost Airlines In Europe

Mon May 21, 2001 8:51 pm

Yes u r right,but the transpot sistem u can find in MXP,EZE,Sepang or Gardermoen it's more efficent than in Hahn,Torp or Treviso,where there only few bus service each day and taxi don't exist or are too expensive.

RE: The Future Of Low-cost Airlines In Europe

Tue May 22, 2001 4:49 am

Well I think Jean-Luc (nom de plas?) will agree with me, but some are certainly doing better than others. My money is on Ryanair and easyJet. Ryanair, despite their loudmouth chief, is a well run, low cost carrier with a bright future. easyJet also, and Stelios is developing strong brand identity. Others are now so so.

Neither Go nor Buzz I believe are big money makers and Virgin Express' Ireland subsidiary was liquidated. Debonair didn't make it and EuroBelgian Airlines, now Virgin Express, is still struggling to get on fine footing. I think Ryanair's new hub will certainly hurt them, however if Sabena continues to sink, they may cancel their codeshare agreement with the British owned low cost carrier.

Others? Eurofly? No clue what their story is.

Deutsche BA? Small mainly German network for this BA subsidiary and US Airways codeshare partner.

Alpi Eagles in Italy appears promising, but also maintains an exclusively domestic network.

Volare has a beautiful livery. Thats all I know of them.

AOM/Air Liberte, neither airline deserves to be in business, both are basket cases.

Spanair and Air Europa are steaming along, now that AE will not merge with IB. Spanair, with a leased Lauda bird is now starting long haul flights. Love those 717s for subsidiary AeBol though.

Aegean and Cronus are certainly giving Olympic a real haedache, although OA is somewhat of a basketcase itself.

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RE: The Future Of Low-cost Airlines In Europe

Tue May 22, 2001 4:40 pm

To TWAneedNOhelp,

Eurofly it's a italian charter airlines owned by AZ and operated 3 B767/300er, 5 MDD-83 and will recive during this month and june 5 A320/200.

Volare owned by Volare Group (that including Air Europe Italy) is mostly a charter airlines even if they operated some domestic scheduled (but with a regular airline service and fare,they use also some business seat on domestic routes where AZ operated only Y) and the fleet of Volare Group are: 2 B777/200er, 4 B767/300er, 2 A321/200 and 17 A320/200 (the 19 airbus planes are operated by Volare 8D and the Boeing planes by Air Europe PE)

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