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Is This A Passenger Jet?

Mon May 21, 2001 9:55 pm


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Airborne Express, is this a crgo or pax currier? I saw this plane with windows and I'm asking if actually it is a pax plane or only cargo?

Thank you.

Savo; Salerno, ITALIA
 
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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Mon May 21, 2001 9:58 pm

This is a cargo carrier. Been around for a while. I don't know to much more about the company though, sorry.

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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Mon May 21, 2001 10:00 pm

Oops, should have mentioned that Airborne purchased converted 767's a while back.
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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Mon May 21, 2001 10:29 pm

There was an article on this cargo carrier in Airliner World a couple of months ago I believe...I forget exactly which one though.
 
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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Mon May 21, 2001 10:42 pm

G'day Savo

Check out for some history on the airline, and also their current routes.

Cheers

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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Tue May 22, 2001 12:00 am

Airborne Express is an express courrier with no passenger ops as far as I know. They use specific ULDs that can be loaded through the normal passenger front door, that's the reason why there is no cargo door on the main deck. The 767s are early -281s series bought from ANA.

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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Tue May 22, 2001 12:44 am

"special ULDs that can be loaded through the normal passenger front door"??? Are you joking or what? The door is only ~80cm wide. How many ULD will you need for a 762? 30? 40? 50???

I don't know anything about Airbornes 767s, maybe I'm wrong but I really can't imagine them using ULDs through the passenger door! I'd say they use them as parcel freighters, no ULDs but parcel-nets.

Any other opinions??
 
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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Tue May 22, 2001 2:56 am

Ndebele

I dont know about the 767, but they most certainly have special ULD's for the DC9's, these are loaded through the passenger door.
 
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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Tue May 22, 2001 5:22 am

There are special containers for the 767, since the door is bigger. But, the containers from the DC-8/9 will fit into the 767 and they ARE used. There is no cargo door. The upper deck is used for these ULDs and the cargo bay holds more of these containers I believe.
 
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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Tue May 22, 2001 5:31 am

Airborne Express is based out of Seattle, but its hub is located in Wilmington, OH. Wilmington is about halfway between Cincinnati and Columbus. The airport that Airborne is based from used to be Clinton County AFB. But in 1977, the USAF abandoned it, and Airborne moved in.
 
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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Tue May 22, 2001 7:22 am

Ndebele,

Well, what ever you call these ULDs, they are loaded through a passenger door and you will notice that there's a lack of cargo door on all Airborne's 767s.
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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Tue May 22, 2001 7:52 am

most Cargo aircraft with windows are converted passenger aircraft, normally 707's, DC8's, 727's, A300's and B767's although there are some rare exceptions too.

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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Tue May 22, 2001 8:38 am

there was a great article in airways about the airborne express 767's. They came from ana.
 
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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Wed May 23, 2001 12:57 am

OO-AOG, unfortunately I won't notice the lack of cargo doors on the Airborne 762s (I live in Germany, where Airborne 767s are really rare!)

Okay, I believe you that they use the passenger door for ULDs. But, can anybody tell me how *many* ULDs you need to fill a 767 main deck??
 
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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Wed May 23, 2001 1:44 am

It also looks like Airborne has put a few of TWA's old -231s in service as well, 4 of them. The remaining 5 are stored, and may be on their way as well. Rumors were a few weeks back that Ansetts 762s were going to Airborne as well.

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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Wed May 23, 2001 8:04 am

The article in Airways was quite good indeed, including a section on how Airborne Express converts the aircraft from pax to cargo. The 747 also has windows on its lower deck in older models, and the upper deck (even on the 744F) has windows for the crew.

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RE: Is This A Passenger Jet?

Wed May 23, 2001 8:10 am

I saw two of those converted 767's at FAT last weekend. They looked quite smart out on the cargo apron.
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