Bryston
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Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Tue May 22, 2001 10:01 pm

Heard this morning on the radio...

Northwast Airlines is about to sign an order for 75 CRJ200 with Bombardier, with 125 more options. Another 150 aircraft could follow this deal. It would be a 6$ billion deal.

Bombardier announce a press conference today, may 22.

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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Tue May 22, 2001 10:43 pm

Does anyone have an idea of a list of cities they will be putting these? Or at least speculation?
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Tue May 22, 2001 11:14 pm

That's awesome.. I love Bombardier and the CRJ, being from Dorval. =) I think the CRJ 200 must look awesome in NW livery. I'd like to see them go for 700's too. when's this press conference?
Next flight.... who knows.
 
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Tue May 22, 2001 11:52 pm

Bombardier Talks With Northwest on Jet Order-Report

MONTREAL (Reuters) - Bombardier Inc. is in talks with Northwest Airlines Corp. , the U.S. No. 4 airline, on a $1.5 billion order for 75 of the Canadian aircraft maker's Canadair Regional Jets, the Journal de Montreal said on Tuesday.


The French language tabloid said Northwest would like to conclude the transaction in the next 30 to 60 days and would seek a Canadian government guarantee of financial backing. Bombardier declined to comment on the report.


In mid-April, Bombardier won a $1.5 billion order to supply 75 regional jets to Air Wisconsin, a United Airlines affiliate, after the Canadian government agreed to provide up to $1.1 billion of low-interest financing to Air Wisconsin.


The Journal de Montreal said Northwest had also asked Brazilian jet maker Embraer SA to prepare an offer on its own regional jet.


Bombardier is the world's third-largest civil aircraft maker and the largest manufacturer of rail cars. Embraer is the world No. 4 civil aircraft maker.


The two companies have been locked in a dogfight for the burgeoning regional jet market, which Bombardier still dominates, and have traded accusations of illegal trade practices.


In what has threatened to become a trade war between Canada and Brazil, the World Trade Organization has twice upheld complaints by Canada that Brazilian export subsidies for Embraer aircraft are illegal under global trade rules.


The WTO's Dispute Settlement Body has authorized Canada to impose sanctions of $233.5 million a year over five to six years on Brazilian imports.


A WTO dispute settlement panel is examining a separate complaint by Brazil that Canada's low-interest financing to Bombardier clients such as Air Wisconsin is illegal.


Bombardier's class B shares rose 33 Canadian cents or 1.5 percent to C$22.89 in mid-morning trading in Toronto.


Bombardier was scheduled to release its first-quarter results later on Tuesday. The consensus estimate of seven analysts polled by Thomson Financial/First Call was for Bombardier to post a profit of 17 Canadian cents a share in the quarter, up from 14 Canadian cents a share a year earlier.

 
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Wed May 23, 2001 12:47 am

I guess we'll be seeing a lot more of these around Dorval!


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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Wed May 23, 2001 12:57 am

200 a/c  Wow!! Which a/c will they replace bacause this is not just an expension, is it.

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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Wed May 23, 2001 1:09 am

Down in memphis there have been rumors of additonbal RJs for the past few weeks. I don't know if there true or not. The one thing I've learned in the airline industry is that I won't believe it until I see it. I'm not saying it isn't true, but I've heard a lot that didn't work out as well as more then a few that have.
We would be limited under our scope though and couldn't get 200 or 75 more jets then what we have on order. The rumor here is that we are trying to convinve Candair to shrink the plane a little to fit under the scope. If not then NWAirlink would have to go with the jungle jet. Under the scope clause we can't just remove seats, it must be a different plane. Can't ge away with the Avro deal, 69 seats in a 85 seat jet.
Hope its true though, I'll be keeping my fingers crossed.
 
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Wed May 23, 2001 1:36 am

Gentlemen...I'd read that Comair has more than a few CRJs for sale due to the strike. Wouldn't it make sense for Northwest to snap a few of these up right now? Pretty soon there'll be a glut of used aircrafts on the market. And not just CRJs. The ships that AA doesn't want from the TWA buyout, plus whatever UA doesn't want from their proposed merger with USAir. Just a thought here. Regards.
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Wed May 23, 2001 4:15 am

Look to see many of these to go to the other NW Airlink affiliate Mesaba. NW still has the original order for 57 a/c with only 42 of them allocated to Express, so the other 15 still need to be assigned to a carrier. Mesaba has big plans for expansion in the near future with the CRJ or the Jungle Jet at the crux of the expansion. Foley, the CEO of Mesaba has made trips to both Brazil and Canada. Mesaba is also expected to be completely purchased by NW very very soon, now that their labor problems are over. The saabs courtesy of the former CEO Brian Bedford are on a long term lease for the next 10-15 years. The plan I hear is for Mesaba to aquire the saabs from Express, make express an all CRJ fleet eventually. Then, get rid of all the A model Saabs and turn most of the Bs and B+ models into cargo birds. The ones not converted will still fly to markets that the CRJ or the ARJ cannot serve. These are exciting times for the airlink affiliates of NW!


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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Wed May 23, 2001 4:55 am

You would think that with all the labor problems that Delta is having with Comair, Northwest would leave Mesaba as an independent company. This would leave them an out if Mesaba would to have labor problems.
 
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Wed May 23, 2001 5:22 am

The Jungle Jet, is that a slang term for Embraer? Or something else? thanks for clearing things up.
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Wed May 23, 2001 5:37 am

Yes, I doubt very much if the Northwest purchase of Mesaba goes through that they would ever combine Mesaba and Express I. Comair taught the industry a lot of lessons, just imagine what it would be like for Delta right now if you had Comair and ASA combined, can someone say major nightmare. It is in NWA best interest to keep us seperate and try to play the two of us against each other. What will you do for more jets and routes, compared with the other carrier?
The ERJ is nicknamed the jungle jet, sorry about the confusion. Guess I'll pay attention and see what comes down the grape vine.
 
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Wed May 23, 2001 10:09 am


I have heard that NW Airlink, because of the scope clauses, will acquire a number of ERJ-140 (44 seats).

As Mr CV640 well said: "Under the scope clause we can't just remove seats, it must be a different plane." and right now only Embraer have this plane, the ERJ-140.

Let's see what will happen...
 
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Wed May 23, 2001 10:21 am

Yea that will be very nice. They will probably put them in cities that the saab 340 flies into as an upgrade or cities where the DC 9 is too big. And yes the CRJ does look very nice in NWA livery.
 
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Thu May 24, 2001 1:50 am

The scope clause with NW is that their airlinks can't fly jets with more than 70 seats in them. THis is why the Avro has the luxury configuration of 69 seats. So, the CRJ is not a problem, with 50 seats under the scope clause. Also, NW owns the CRJs already, why buy a ton of another airplane (ERJ) when they can own and lease back to the airlinks 1 type of airplane?


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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Thu May 24, 2001 4:24 am

The only problem that I know of is that we are tied to the narrowbody fleet of Northwest for how many 50 seaters we are allowed. So, I don't know how many more we would be allowed, unless NW ALPA agreed to changes. I could be wrong, not very sure. Although we are setting up another CRJ sim here and have purchased some time on the one in Cincy, that was used for Comair before the strike.
 
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Thu May 24, 2001 6:15 am

the airlink scope clause is for ONLY:
54 crj-200 50 seats
36 avro rj-85 69 seats
unlimited rj's under 45 seats...
so heres an idea to avoid scope problem..put 2 rows of first class on the crj-200 ..equal it out to 44 seats and call it good...bur rumor is true nwa will purchase more rj's to replace ALL saab flying...
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Thu May 24, 2001 10:16 pm

no cargo flying with the saabs either--bad rumor only...express 1 has a ten-year contract for the pilots signed last year..good to go for a long time..bring on the RJ'S........
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Fri May 25, 2001 4:28 am

The cargo idea is not a bad rumor at all. Straight from Foleys mouth in a visit to our new hire class at Mesaba a few months ago. Also, an article in I think it was aviation week, talked about the general retro fitting of Saabs for cargo flying. Depicted was a Mesaba 340 and mentioned in the article was Mesabas interest in the program.

Also, there are some cities in MI and MN and others in the network that I'm sure the CRJ cannont support, so without leaving them high and dry, I'm sure we'll see a few saabs around. Just a thought.

Intersting times eh? Wonder whats to happen with the Avro? Will the new XJ training facility get a CRJ sim as well in the future if some of these come to XJ.



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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Fri May 25, 2001 4:38 am

What's the purpose of having large fleets of both the CRJ and ARJ when the number of seats they can hold is within 10 of each other?
 
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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Sat May 26, 2001 6:12 am

One of the main reasons that XJ operates the Avro is for the lucrative Aspen route. The Avro is perfect for hot and high airports with short runways. Also, at the time NW was looking for RJs for one of its regional affiliates, the avro was quickest with delivery times. PLus, a great marketing scheme for NW/XJ with the only FC on a regional jet and luxury coach seating.

The avros aren't going anywhere, a new sim is being built for the new training facility in MSP.

To answer your question, the avro is definitely in a different class than a CRJ, so it wouldn't make all that bad of a fleet mix. Now mix the jungle jet with the CRj, that's like having a mixed fleet of 737s and airbusses.

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RE: Northwest To Sign Contract For 200 CRJ200

Sat May 26, 2001 6:20 am

NWA may use CRJ in complement with its A319 and 320. So whatever routes currently served by A319, 320, DC9 and 727, may be also serve by CRJ.

that's just my guesstimation.

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