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Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Sun May 30, 1999 8:07 am

Canadian Airlines recently unveiled a new colour scheme and logo, there are a lot of photos of it in here. What are some opinions on it? I think they could have done something more dramatic, the white and blue is getting old, but it remained unchanged. The goose symbol is patriotic to say the least but look at Air Canada, it seems to have milked the maple leaf quite nicely.
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RE: Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Sun May 30, 1999 9:04 am

I like it. Most airlines treat the tail like a big slab, seperated from the rest of the color scheme. An example of what I mean is United, where the blue striping on the tail ends as soon as it hits the fuselage. The Canadian goose is nice because it blends the tail artwork way down into the fuselgage.
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RE: Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Sun May 30, 1999 9:56 am

I really like the goose as well, but the basic stripes and colours are SO similar to the new Delta scheme. What is it with Canadian? Their old scheme was SO similar to BA's old one. They can't seem to get ahead. The orange and silver CPAir colours were the best thing ever, really cool, they should go back to that one.
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RE: Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Sun May 30, 1999 10:12 am

It looks weird !!! (the old tail is better)

RE: Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Sun May 30, 1999 10:32 am

I personaly think it looks good, but I never liked the old scheme so I would have supported nearly any change in livery. Its quite origional.
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RE: Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Sun May 30, 1999 11:13 am

I think that goose looks GREAT on the tail!!! Canadian has done a great job with the new image. The only thing bad about the scheme is the font. It should be all CAPS and the > thing in Canadi>n should go...

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The > Thing

Sun May 30, 1999 10:50 pm

Believe it or not, the > is there so that the French don't get offended, which is easy to do in this country. Canadian in french is spelled Canadien. So they substituted > so the French don't feel as if they are being left out. (violins in background) They originally were going to name the airline Canadian International Airlines but the acronym was thus CIA. So they they spun it around to make the awkward Canadi>n Airlines International. They have since dropped that twisted name and just relented to Canadi>n Airlines.

P.S. They new scheme is better than the bland old one but not as good as the old CP scheme of bright orange and silver. But in the 80s everyone went to conservative pin stripes on white. I believe it was United's scheme that was very similar to theirs, not the BA scheme.
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RE: Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Sun May 30, 1999 11:40 pm

Hi Canadian!

Thanks a lot for your topic. I think you guys canadians have to decide if you like it or not, but as a portuguese that have seen CP Air for most of his life I personally like it because the goose came back ( in the beginning in the old CP Air livery the goose was there! )
Its a diferent livery. but its sticking, and unique, it's not a confusing one ( like the other one before, you could confuse with BA ) and the goose is also a trade mark of Canada no? Well Air Canada have the maple leaf - another Canada trade mark - and CP Air the goose, its ok!
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RE: Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Mon May 31, 1999 2:27 am

I think the new colours are awesome and look great. But, as for similarities between it and the new Delta colours, Canadian had the blue/red/white colour scheme long before Delta did, when Delta was all white with the stripes mid-fuselage. If anyone had been borrowing ideas, it would have been Delta. But you are right Cedarjet, the two are quite similar. As for the goose on the tail, its nice, but i think it's an attempt to mimic BA's 'carefree' artwork designs, with nowhere near the richness or variety.
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RE: Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Mon May 31, 1999 2:55 pm

Hey people!
I really like the idea of the aviation forum, it's cool that we can talk amongst ourselves and share ideas and opinions. The new Canadi>n livery overall is a great improvement over the previous scheme. The old one looked very "budget" to me. I live near the YVR approach, so I see quite a few different planes. The new scheme is really graceful in the air. Now hopefully the airline can get it's financial situation in order to be the great airline it can be!!


Goose Egg Perhaps?

Tue Jun 01, 1999 3:15 am


for many years i was an arduant and strong supporter along with being a high tiered flyer of canadian... i now fly air canada... but don't really need to go there...

the goose symbol has its routes traced back to 1931 (for all intenets and purposes) during the rugged still pioneering days of canadian aviation.

i commend the earlier post concerning the ">" as you are indeed very acurate and politically correct.

the five bars on the tail and in the insignia represented 5 continents... the > was a wing (and also pleasing the french)... i do agree it was outdated and if anything for the reason that canadian, i think can no longer claim to fly five continents... they do not land in australia any longer... code shares mean nothing when it comes to operations!

i was always very proud when walking through the terminal and seeing the canadian tail and knowing i was almost already home. similar to that nice american commercial (which i really like) with the chap in south america that says to the gate gal "i am almost already there"... or something like that.

anyway... i am getting off topic...

the goose is nice and historic but i do wonder humourisly if it would have been better served with a "goose egg" on the tail as they have suffered 9 losses in the last ten years... 1998 being the latest... what other first world airline company has that distinction? (other than twa)

oh well... just some thoughts... so much i could talk about concerning canadian...
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RE: Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Tue Jun 01, 1999 7:22 pm

There's nothing new actually, the image looks unbalanced and not individual. Let see the image of Kangaroo on Qantas tail, it's huge and great. The paint sheme of British Airways looks conservative and majestic, it's individual you know.
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RE: Not New?

Wed Jun 02, 1999 3:49 am

Steward, you dont think there is anything 'new' about the paint scheme? Okay. It's fine that you dont particularly like it, but you definetely can't say that 'there is nothing new'. Show me the goose anyday over that stodgy tawdry kangaroo of Qantas.
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RE: Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Wed Jun 02, 1999 5:18 am

I like the new Canadian scheme. It is business like but also fun loving with the geese on the tail.
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RE: Not New?

Wed Jun 02, 1999 8:35 am

It is not a new paint scheme inthat Canadians prdicessors Canadian Pacific, and Eastern Provincial originaly had a Canadian goose as their logo, and the red and blue colours are taken from the other predicessor to canadian, Pacific Western. All three of these airlines merged to create Canadian Airlines and so, no the paint scheme is not new, it is a look back to the history of the airline
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RE: Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Wed Jun 02, 1999 10:04 am

Yes, the goose as a symbol is not new. Canadian's predecessor airlines used it in many different forms. However, none of those bore a significant resemblance to the new logo. In fact, the CPAL goose symbol had downswept wings. But, the overall look is undeniably new. There is a new typeface, new 'motionmark', grey engine cowlings, and of course the totally new tail treatment. The new look bears absolutely no resemblance to PWA's colours prior to the merger. The blue bottom, red stripe and white top came from Canadian Pacific. We are talking about appearances here, and the goose livery certainly can't be called 'old'.
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RE: Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Thu Jun 03, 1999 9:47 pm

It is not bad at all, but I guess they should get back to the good old orange-grey scheme. It would make them much more original
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RE: Who Likes Canadian's New Goose?

Fri Jun 04, 1999 12:41 am

Have you seen it on the 737-200? It makes it look even stubbier. And i didnt think that was possible. I want to see the colours on the A320-200, i dont beleive they have repainted one of that type just yet. I always thought the A320's looked odd in Canadian's old livery. As for the DC-10's, i dont think well be seeing many of those repainted. Four of them are going to be phased out in the next year, leaving only six. If it's going to take five years to repaint every aircraft like they say, we may never see a DC-10 in the new livery.
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Didn't BA Sue?

Fri Jun 04, 1999 6:29 am

I heard something to the effect that BA sued, and won when (then) CP Air adopted the red& blue livery which became Canadi>n's. Can anyone confirm this?

I'd like to second the enthusiasm expressed by my 'brother' CV990 for the goose. It brings back many happy memories of YVR in the 1960s, not to mention the "Empress" plane names, but ideally I agree with Cedarjet: let's see a triumphant return of the 'Orange' (as CP was called).
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RE: Didn't BA Sue?

Fri Jun 04, 1999 6:48 am

I have no idea, CV880, if BA sued or not. The two were very, very similar though. As for returning to the orange, it would certainly by a triumph that no one could miss. Would be nice if they repainted one of their DC-10's as an orange top in tribute to CP Air. Why not? Air Canada has milked its 'grassroutes' history by painting a brand new A319 in TCA colours. And, regarding the new colours, i would have liked to see some bare metal. And does anyone have any opinions or info on this - I have seen some airlines that have painted the aircraft wings in vibrant colours. It is Balair, I think, not sure, that has bright yellow wings. Why couldnt Canadian have gone with blue wings? Definetely woudl stand out.

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