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U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 6:32 am

the C.E.O. of Airbus Industries has said that one of theese U.S airlines will buy Airbus products in future!Continental,American Airlines,Delta.He sounded quite confident that this will happen!who will get Airbus out of those three what is your quess?I would bet on Delta  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 6:33 am

Delta has an exclusive agreement with Boeing. So...maybe not DL.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 6:39 am

The CEO of Airbus sounds a little cocky if he thinks that any of Boeing's big three will difect his way. But anyway, CO is of course the least likley order anything French(GB used head the 737 line at Boeing), and I'd imagine that American is the most likely considering thier more recent Airbus purchases. Those A306's will need to be reitered soon, so Airbus might try and find a home for some A332's. You have to admit, those would be the best looking airplanes to grace the sky.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 6:42 am

Ha!
CO is standardizing around 737, 757/767, 777 in the future. Seeing that A380 is not in their plans, you can cross CO off the list.
AA and DL are doing the same.
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 7:20 am

AA for the A330 is the only possibility, they haven't started replacing their old 767s yet, whereas DL are going for it with the 764 and CO will never buy Airbus. I don't see any of them buying the A320 family, they're all reequiping with the 737NG.

I know I've said this before but I'll bet good money that one of these airlines (DL) buy some 747-400s.
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 7:25 am

Delta is out for sure.

AA is a good possibility.

CO is a long shot, but they used to fly the A300 - so it's not impossible. However, Bethune used to work for Boeing so that says something.

Cedarjet: it would be very cool if DL picked up some 744s, but I think the 777 is a far as they'll go.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 8:05 am

I recall seeing on here not too long ago, actually may have been a while ago that the new AA long term fleet plan consisted of only Boeing material.

Personally I think thats the way it will stay, look at the order books,
763's,
777's
738's
and the 20 717's left over from TWA.

Notice they immediatley cancelled the A318 order.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 8:51 am

When did this guy say that? What was he smoking? That is a ridiculous statement. Really. American is out, they have stated that they are going down to three types: 737, 757/767, 777.

Keep in mind that 757 and 767 are considered the same typoe of aircraft.

Delta is pretty much the same.

Continental, everyone has already pointed out.

So that is a ridiculous statement. What is your source?

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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 9:18 am

I could see maybe AA ordering the A330-200/300 to replace their A300-600Rs and possibly the RR Trent 500 powered A340-500/600 if they don't want the GE90 powered 777-300ER.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 9:22 am

If AA buys the A330-200, then, and only then, could I see UA buying the 737ng. So basically, I think a snowball has more of a chance in Hell, than AA, CO, or DL buying Airbuses in any of the next 10 years.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 10:22 am

None of those airlines will place orders with Airbus. they are all standardizing to a 777, 767/757, 737 fleet eventually. AA will use high capacity domestic 777s to replace the cash cow A300s. Admitedly though, I'd love to see an A330 in AA colors. It would look great.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 10:50 am

I think Continental.
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 12:12 pm

I think the ONLY airline among the three mentioned (AA, CO and DL) that have any chance to buy new Airbus planes will be AA, given AA's substantial A300-600R fleet. It won't be A320 Family planes, since AA has nearly 400 production slots available at Boeing for Next-Generation 737's and 777's.

I think in the end AA will end up buying the non-ER 777-200's to replace their AB6 fleet for fleet commonality reasons. They'll be used on flights to SJU and the JFK to Europe flights.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 12:20 pm

I agree that AA will buy 777's or 764's to replace the A300's

I strongly disagree that AA is condidering ANY Airbus product. If they were interested, they would have not cancelled the A318 order.
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 12:26 pm

I am not so sure about this but if I had to pick one it would be AA.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 3:33 pm

In this order:
AA
DL
CO

AA could order A330-200/300 to relace A300/762.
A340 for longer range that the 777 (at full utilization)can't handle.
OR A380 because AA is the largest airline, the A380 could become AA's new flagship.
The A380 would be great for airports such as slot controled JFK, LHR, and ORD.
Unfortunatly AA will not go with the A320 family, they choose the 737 and MD-80 families.

DL, not as likely..I heard a DL employee say that the A310s Delta had recieved from Pan Am were scraped due to lack of support from Airbus....but that was then, Airbus is stronger and better now. Maybe the A380 or A340 could find its way for the long haul or high density routes.

CO not very likely... they want to go to the 737, 757/767, and 777. But the A340 could handle the Pacific operations.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 3:43 pm

All those 3 airlines have agreements wiht Boeing. Boeing planes are much better than Airbus planes. I'm from Europe, but I prefer much more Boeing products. the 777 is my favourite plane and I loved always to fly with that. I just loved my latest American Airlines 777 flight, it was wonderful. I hope that I will never see any A330, which is a very ugly plane in colours of DL, AA or CO.
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 3:47 pm

It appears to me the US carriers are intent on 2 engine aircraft for all their needs. If Airbus wants to compete head to head with Boeing (namely the 777). They'll have to drop their past marketing strategies and go full out with the A330, making it as viable a long distance aircraft as the A340. US airlines are very much "by the numbers" organizations. And if the numbers say 2 engines can perform the same mission as 4 engines with less cost, you can almost bet thats the way they'll go.
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 10:17 pm

I don't expect AA,DL or CO to order Airbus planes as they seems to prefer Boeing aircrafts.


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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 10:25 pm

Couple of things, the Boeing exclusivity clauses are not enforcable: when the Boeing/Douglas merger was approved by the EU, one condition was that such clauses could not be enforced.

Second, although I do not think it is likely that AA, DL or CO will buy any Airbus products in the future since they have more or less decided on their respective fleet replacement plans, you never know. If Airbus can offer the right product at the right price, they could have a sale. We have all been surprised before. Never say never.

At this point in time, the A380 does not fit into the needs of any of these airlines, but, in the future, one or all of them may need a huge aircraft for lift, especially if airports become more and more crowded.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 10:53 pm

I wouldn't rule Delta out quite so fast....

As Dutchjet said, the exclusivity clause is nonenforceable.

As far as fleet planning, one cannot make a solid, "for sure" statement about Delta's plans about long haul widebodies. I think Delta is pretty committed to the 777 as its long range flagship, since the powers that be in Atlanta are reportedly trying everything humanly possible to get a hold of more. However, the 767-400's performance, while not as terrible as some would have us believe, is a little disappointing, from what I've begun to hear. I know I disputed this at first, but based on what I've started to hear, this may have something to it.

In addition, remember that it was our previous CEO Ron Allen who would have nothing to do with Airbus. While Leo Mullin has not dropped any hints about DL considering Airbus products, he has not flatly denied that either when asked.

Just think of this...

A330s slowly taking the place of the 763ER as the workhorse of Delta's mighty transatlantic network, as the 763s are moved to primarily domestic duties of replacing the long in the tooth 762s and older 763s as well. The A330 would blow the 763 away as far as cargo capacity and efficiency are concerned. The A330 would likely not face weight limitations on 763ER routes currently suffering from that problem, namely ATL-SCL, ATL-EZE once it is downgraded, FRA-BOM, etc.

I don't know how feasible this is. However, it isn't impossible, and as has been said before, never say never. Rumors are flying about the future of the 764 at Delta.... you never know.....
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 11:08 pm

OK look, it's nice to fantasize about a favorite airline acquiring a favorite aircraft, but this will not happen any time soon. Who's to say that these airlines will not consider Airbus in the long term future. 20+ years from now. But for now, none of these airlines will even consider Airbus in thier fleet. In this day in age of cost cutting measures, and comminality, Airbus will not happen for DL, CO or AA. DL and CO don't have any Airbus aircraft. Why consider the burden of integrating an all new aircraft to thier fleet? Makes no sense whatsoever. And for AA, even they considered the A330, it still has no comminality to the A300. A330 is FBW, different wing, different engines, etc.

So, as fun as it is to fantasize about these airlines acquiring Airbus aircraft, that's all it will be for many years. MANY years.
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Wed May 30, 2001 11:55 pm

DeltaSFO,

I have my doubts about whether DL will buy any of the A330 series.

The issues of pilot/crew training and spare parts may conspire against DL getting the A330-200, which is a plane probably best-suited for DL's trans-Atlantic and South American route needs. And very likely Boeing may make an uprated engine available for the 767-400ER that may alleviate DL's concerns about climb performance and fuel burn.

As for DL getting the A330-300, not only do we have the issues I mentioned above but also the A333 has barely the range to fly trans-Atlantic routes from ATL and CVG on a full load.

I think in the end DL may buy the 767-400ER primarily for USA transcon and USA West Coast to Hawaii flights and more likely buy more 777-200ER's and non-ER 777-200's.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Thu May 31, 2001 1:07 am

I heard this statement from Airbus CEO when he was in Farnborough airshow and it was on tv some months ago in BBC World.

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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Thu May 31, 2001 1:17 am

What are you guys talking about? Delta's 763ERs are in no need to be retired, they have many years left. Continental, well would Swissair order more 743s these days? Nope. American, well, I heard that SQ decided to order 100 new 737-200s to phase out all A340s. Ummmmmmmm, not really, huh?

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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Thu May 31, 2001 11:12 am

The A300 works great for AA, IMO. They don't have plans on retiring them any time soon, but they do plan on taking them off of trans-Atlantic service and basing almost all thier A300s at MIA. Currently, the A300s fly a lot of high-demand, medium-haul routes out of MIA, including flights to Montego Bay, Mexico City, Kingston, New York City, Lima, and multiple dailies to San Juan. The A300 is a great aircraft for Caribbean operations and high-demand, short-haul Latin routes (MIA-BOG, MIA-CCS especially), and that's what AA will start using them for more often. BTW, how old are AA's A300s?
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Thu May 31, 2001 11:29 am

Mah4546,

If my memory serves me correctly, I think that AA took delivery of its first A300-600R on April 20, 1988. I don't know how old the youngest one is, but the first one is is 12 years, 1 month, and around 10 days old. Of course, I'm not counting trial flights, but it has spent that much time with AA. I hope this helps.

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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Thu May 31, 2001 10:45 pm

A300 in AA colors is great looking plane!and the A330 would be perfect to replace them.Does anyone know how many A300s AA has???


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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Thu May 31, 2001 10:55 pm

AY-MD11,

AA has 35 A300-600R's in their fleet, primarily concentrated on US East Coast to Europe and Caribbean routes.

They'll stay in AA service until at least 2010 on the condition that doing D-check overhauls don't cost more than replacing the plane altogether.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Thu May 31, 2001 10:55 pm

AA may have some of the first A300's. I believe they acquired these from the Eastern garage sale.
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Thu May 31, 2001 10:59 pm

Boeing nut,

Wrongo.  Smile

AA never bought any A300B4 models second-hand. The ex-Eastern A300's were either sold or integrated into CO's fleet; the CO A300B4's were retired when Gordon Bethune became CEO at the airline in 1995.

AA bought their 35 A300-600R's as brand-new planes.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Thu May 31, 2001 11:11 pm

AA could go for the A330, it has far more cargo capacity than the 767 and is a much more efficient aircraft. I can see why AA could standardise on the 777 (using non ER aircraft for short and medium haul) but the 777 is a lot of aeroplane for a relatively undemanding mission. The A330 would be better suited.

Commonality issues are much less important with big fleets. Finnair might want to standardise on the Airbus cockpit because they have a total fleet of about 60 aircraft. But when you have 60+ of each TYPE, you don't really swap personnel around so much.

The other reason another Airbus purchase for AA would be to keep Boeing on their toes - you can bet that the merest rumour of an Airbus order from AA will get better support, better spares prices, baskets of muffins etc coming out of Seattle like a flood.
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Thu May 31, 2001 11:52 pm

None of the airlines would buy the Airbus planes. They would be adding a whole new fleet type, which would be an oddball. American, Delta, and Continental are going to keep ordering Boeing. All three have 737NGs over A320s, all 3 operate 757s, 767s, and 777s, which go with the A330/A340, and all those planes have many years left. They also have MD-80s, which won't start being retired until the end of this decade.

Also, the exclusitivity deal is not in place, but that doesn't mean these three get HUGE discounts from Boeing in return for loyalty.

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Fri Jun 01, 2001 1:09 am

"AA could go for the A330, it has far more cargo capacity than the 767 and is a much more efficient aircraft. I can see why AA could standardise on the 777 (using non ER aircraft for short and medium haul) but the 777 is a lot of aeroplane for a relatively undemanding mission. The A330 would be better suited."

You really can't say the A330 is "much more efficient" than the 767, seeing that they are both "niche" aircraft serving different niches. On some routes, the A330 is better suited, while on others, the 767 is more suited. Anyway, with AA's announcement for 15 763ERs to replace A300B4-605Rs on Trans-Atlantic routes, I think that should spell AA's plans for A306 retirement when the time comes. It will most likely be a 767/777 mix. I also remember seeing some news about a month ago stateing that AA is looking at the 777 as the A306's successor.

"Commonality issues are much less important with big fleets. Finnair might want to standardise on the Airbus cockpit because they have a total fleet of about 60 aircraft. But when you have 60+ of each TYPE, you don't really swap personnel around so much."

It's not just personnel, but it's also parts, and maintence procedures. I really think it's absurd to even think that AA or DL is interested in AI. So, I might as well say that SN or SR are going to place a large order for 767s.  Smile

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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Fri Jun 01, 2001 1:15 am

AA is the only airline I think might buy Airbus and if they do, to replace A300/762.

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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Fri Jun 01, 2001 1:25 am

The 762s at AA have quite a few years in them left GOT. If AA would order an A330-size aircraft, it would most liikely be the 764. Also, I think AA would be the one to operate a new Airbus out of the 3 airlines, with a mere possibility of an A330 order, but that's it.

This is just basiaclly a poll, out of AA, DL, or CO, which would be most likely to order Airbus?

Like I said, it might be AA. But the chance of either of these airlines ordering an Airbus is like 0.00001%.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Fri Jun 01, 2001 1:31 am

I think the Airbus CEO was winding up Boeing during the head games between the two at the Farnborough A380/B747X presentations. If any US major orders Airbuses it probably won't be the three mentioned, but United and possibly Northwest could go for the A380.
But who can say? Airbus has a history of surprising Boeing on it's home turf, going way back to 1976 with Eastern.
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Fri Jun 01, 2001 1:32 am

He's just bluffing us. (I m speaking of CEO of Airbus)
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Fri Jun 01, 2001 1:39 am

Thanks RayChuang for the info!this is not a poll im just curious because hearing this from CEO of Airbus.


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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Fri Jun 01, 2001 1:45 am

Yeah, I'm sure everyone believes you met the CEO of Airbus. When did he tell you?  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Fri Jun 01, 2001 2:02 am

American Airlines
Order: Boeing 764
Replace: AB6s (Airbus 300-600).

Delta Airlines
Order: Airbus 320
Replace: Boeing 732, Boeing 733

Continental Airlines
Order: Airbus 313
Replace: Boeing 762




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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Fri Jun 01, 2001 2:15 am

As usual, we have another out of control Boeing vs Airbus discussion. CO, DL or AA have not made any decision to buy Airbus aircraft at this time, but it is always possible that such airlines could order Airbus instead of Boeing in the future for one or more of their needs - AA could order the A333 when it is shopping for an A300/B762 replacement; I am sure that they will compare what Boeing and Airbus each have to offer to ensure that they get the best possible price for the aircraft. AA is not ready to replace the A300/B762 yet but will begin thinking about it in a few years.

There was no other report of the original statement claimed to be made by the CEO of Airbus, but even if the statement is true, the statement is speculation and refers to no confirmed order. If Boeing said that Swissair, Sabena or Iberia would order Boeing aircraft in the future, would we all be in such a panic?
 
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Fri Jun 01, 2001 2:29 am



"Continental Airlines
Order: Airbus 313
Replace: Boeing 762"


I have not heard not too many airlines that replace aircraft just a few months old.




 
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RE: U.S Airlines Getting The Airbus

Fri Jun 01, 2001 3:58 am

Also, Delta has options galore on the 736/73G to replace the 732 and 733. Right now, rumour has it that Delta is going to announce an order for the 73G once the pilot vote is finished so they NGs can get onto Express.

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Fri Jun 01, 2001 5:02 am

I personally havent meet the CEO of Airbus only heard him say this on tv like one of my post clearly says.I have this statement on video and if someone is interested to hear it im sure BBC World has that somewhere on theyr archive but dont know if it gives satisfaction to get that video from BBC... Big grin


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