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Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 11:19 am

Do u think that infants should buy there own seats? Or sit on there parents lap? I had an experience where i was sitting next to a lady and her son, and the kid was all over me on the flight! I think they should buy there own seats but what do u think?

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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 11:22 am

I agree...I sat next to one in FC on CO and it barfed on me...back in 1989.
 
travatl
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 12:14 pm

I totally agree.

The whole "Lap Infant" thing was allowed because the F.A.A. determined that if families were forced to purchase the extra seat, the cost would prevent them from flying - and that they would in turn travel by car, putting the entire family at risk on the highways.

HOWEVER...the cost of traveling by plane has fallen so low that this thinking is no longer valid.

Further, I simply do not understand the mentality of parents who wouldn't consider letting their two year old out of car seat when their driving down the road at 50 MPH, but don't think twice about letting the brat run all over the airplane when the seatbelt sign is on in the air, or when the aircraft is taxiing. Car seats make it easier for the parents, the passengers sitting around them, and the cabin crew. (Try explaining to a 25 year old mother sitting on the taxi-way at LaGuardia for two hours on a full airplane that her restless child MUST remain in her lap at all times.)

Buckle 'em up....save their lives.

Travis

 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 12:19 pm

I think the lap thing is ok. I mean 500 bucks per seat to europe in the off season is still a lot for many families. The airline would have to sell the seat at normal fare inorder to make a profit so there is no benifit for them either. so basicaly it is bad for both the fam. and the airline.
 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 12:25 pm

I completely agree with Travis here.

The infant's safety and everyone else's comfort is at risk by having children in your lap. They should be properly secured in an infant car seat, like you have to in an automobile. Furthermore airlines should have fares for infants travelling with parents... they don't eat the $3.50 the airline spent on food. The airlines should simply do it as a courtesy to the parents, which would hopefully ensure brand loyalty, and mostly see it as being safer.
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 12:28 pm

TRhat can however leave the airlines out of a lot of money. Swissair already does this. All childeren under 2 travel at 10% the parents fare and childeren up to 12 are at 70% the parents fare. Also I think more airlines should start youth fares. ie. under 26
 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 12:34 pm

ANYTHING if it will keep them quiet!!!

but to answer this in real text... I firmly believe that parents traveling with infants SHOULD be required to purchase a ticket/seat for him/her. Every time those parents board an aircraft with their infant as a lap child they gamble with that innocent childs life!!! One healthy airpocket and "Jr." is a projectile... but look at all the money they saved??????

Who cares if this response is popular or not, it's fact and it bears some serious consideration by all traveling parents.

 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 12:41 pm

TEX - From your mouth to the idiot-parents' ears.
 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 12:43 pm

If anyone knows of an infant that can buy their own seats, I want to adopt them: they obviously have more money than me. Thank you.
 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 1:27 pm

I remember having my own seat when I was an infant. It was nice.
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 2:36 pm

thanks for the responses!
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 4:05 pm

The old system of discounts for infants and children (10% of the adult fare for under 2; 50 - 66% for 2-12) is now well outdated, given the already incredibly low fares available. I think it should be a fixed price per seat - and whether that seat is occupied by a 2 month old; a 7 year old; an 18 year old or a 90 year old should make no difference - it pretty much costs the airlines the same to fly all of those categories.
 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 4:25 pm

Ceilidh - Is Caledonian Wings gonna adopt that strategy?
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 4:32 pm

As a parent with several kids, I can tell you that paying an extra $400-$500 does still make a difference, especially when Mom has to travel someplace with a breast-feeding baby, you are talking about doubling the cost of my flying her back east.

As to the safety thing with carseats, plane crashes are not like car crashes. You really don't expect to survive a plane crash, and more people die from the fire and smoke than the impact in most accidents. However, ironically, one child survived a Northwest crash in Detroit in 1985 when nobody else did: an infant named Cecelia Cechan who was nestled in her mother's arms, which saved her from the flames on that fiery jet.

Child restraints help more of course with the turbulence, but again turbulence is not like an impact. How many kids do you know of that have been killed or seriously injured by airplane turbulence? If anyone can produce evidence that this is a common occurence, then I'd like to see it, it would probably change my way of thinking.

For now, until I either win the lottery and have nothing better to do with my money, or until they pass another silly law, "Junior" gets to sit on Mommy's lap!

 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 4:42 pm

Actually a couple of years ago a flight coming into SJU from MIA (AA) suffered severe turbulence. An infant travelling in the arms of his mother got severely injured along a couple of other pax. I would really like to give you the exact date and everything but hey it was a couple of years back.
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 5:48 pm

Highflyer 16:

Why can Jn not sit on daddys lap???
 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 6:42 pm

Just few of comments from a frequent flier with two small children:

1.- If a child (or infant) disturbs fellow passangers or the crew, the problem are the parents, not the child. Parents who don't know how to entertain and control their children when travelling should not fly (or have children at all). I have made many (20+) intercontinental flights with my children since they were 3 months old (they are 6 and 3 years old now) and I never had a problem. You just need to learn to play with your children and have enough patience to keep them busy for the entire length of the journey.

2.- Infants should travel in their own seat. This is for safety reasons, but also for your own comfort and consideration to other fellow passengers.

3.- Yes, an extra seat for an infant costs money. Having children always costs a lot of money. If you like to travel and do not want to pay for an extra seat for your infant, you should take this into account before having children.

Being a parent is very easy. Being a RESPONSIBLE parent is not.
 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 9:24 pm

And the moral of the story according to Katekebo: Don't have children if you don't have the $$ to let them fly in their own seat. Like that even crosses your mind when having children. Good grief.
 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 9:50 pm

He more likely means: parents take care of your children and don't let them become a burden on your fellow pax or the crew.

When I see parents with (especially small) children in the waiting area for my flight I already count on several hours of wailing children jumping up and down, annoying everyone.
Often it does not happen, but some parents either don't care or don't dare to discipline their children (or better yet, prevent them from needing to be disciplined).
I learned at an early age to leave others alone and not to shout in enclosed spaces. Why can't today's parents do the same?
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Wed May 30, 2001 10:07 pm

Imagine that: children that make noise. What IS the world coming to. The problem oftentimes isn't the children or their parents: it's the grown-ups acting like babies becasue a child is being a child. Maybe there should be a special section where famalies can get away from the likes of you guys.
 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Thu May 31, 2001 1:14 am

Highflyer16 -

The young girl from the Northwest accident in Detroit was in fact 5 years old, and not "cradled in her mothers arms" but rather occupying her own seat. She was traveling with her mother one row ahead of her father and 8 year old brother. All of whom were killed.

Just two and a half years ago an American Airlines MD80 over Colorado encountered turbulence sending a lap child to ICU with skull fractures.

A lap child on a United 747 over the Pacific during turbulence suffered a broken arm.

I personally have seen numerous nose bleeds and bruises on kids (most because their parents let them run around the aisle during taxi).

On the United DC10 that crashed in Sioux City, only ONE of the lap children survived. Why? Because he was thrown into an overhead compart during the aircraft roll, somewhat cushioned from the impact. A fluke - that still resulted in brain damage.. The video of the United flight attendant in an interview later who spoke of having to face the mothers, who surivived, after the accident is heart wrenching. She now champions the fight for NO MORE LAP CHILDREN.

I somehow think that should you survive a plane crash (80% are survivable, it's the post-crash fire that kills, especially those mothers searching for their children who have been flung through the cabin), the fact that you thought you "would all die" would be little consolation.

I implore you to buckle them up, and SAVE THEIR LIVES.

Travis
 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Thu May 31, 2001 1:45 am

Okay, I am speaking of opposite to infant, I am wondering if those big or heavy people like 400+ lbs that they would need to take two seats as a seat. Do they still purchase a ticket for one seat or two seats?

I have seen some extra-overweight people taking two seats and am wondering about that.

Sorry if I throw an off-point topic.
 
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RE: Do You Infants Should Have To Buy There Own Seats?

Thu May 31, 2001 9:37 am

Picture it.

Sioux City, Iowa. July 19th, 1989.

Six infants are informed by the cabin crew of a striken United Airlines DC-10-10 en-route from Denver to Chicago to place their infants on the floor of the cabin in preparation for the crash landing about to take place.

The Cabin crew are not taking any initiative of their own - in fact, quite the contrary. They are following national policy on infants in crash landings, and going against their instincts, if anything.

The children are placed on the floor, and, as they say, the crash is a spectacular 250-ton cartwheel down two miles of concrete.

Five out of those six infants die from trauma experienced while on the floor of the cabin, (and then the ceiling, walls and overhead bins) and one survives -because he flew into an open overhead-bin which happened to have a few leather jackets in it, cushioning the impact of him hitting them. The bin then closed, protecting (relatively speaking) the child from the carnage outside.

Five out of six children die. Had they had their own seats, (in child seats) would this death record have been recorded? Perhaps. But perhaps not. They would have been secured into their seats. They would most certainly have been injured. BUT THEY WOULD HAVE SURVIVED.

Imagine driving at 210+mph on a freeway, sitting happily on the floor, when the car goes from 210mph to 0 in roughly four seconds. Where are you? Heaven. But your body is somewhere between here and the next exit.

INFANT SEATING SHOULD BE MANDATORY.
I realize economics plays a factor, but which would you rather have - your kid live, or you save a few hundred bucks?

Why is there even a need for a debate on this issue?

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