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Ansett's Fleet Plans.

Wed Jun 02, 1999 5:21 am

Ansett looks to have decide on what type of fleet it will operate in the next millenium. They have decided to order the A320 and A321 to replace their 737s and 767s. This is due to the fact that they already operate the A320 and this order will offer commonality. They have also decided on the 747-400 and 777-200 for their long haul fleet.
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RE: Ansett's Fleet Plans.

Wed Jun 02, 1999 6:33 pm

No Decision has been made on the fleet that Ansett will purchase it is still to be decided upon and will not be done until the finalisation of the Singapore purchase has been finalised
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RE: Ansett's Fleet Plans.

Fri Jun 04, 1999 1:19 pm

litttle airbus's and the 744. you wait and see.
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Fri Jun 04, 1999 2:10 pm

Airbus's????? i think Airbusi would be a far better pluralisation. Sounds better anyway!! Can u tel me wents to a public Skool or not? Jokes aside - as Mr Friendship said - no aircraft have been ordered and no final decision made. Till the Singapore aquisition is complete I am certain that new aircraft take second place. Regs Craig - yeah cheers, thanks a lot.
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RE: Plural............

Fri Jun 04, 1999 2:29 pm

Thanx, but Airbusi isnt write either. Think about where the name came from. As for ansett, Why have ANZ shares gone up in value so quickly? To buy out ansuk or for SIA. I think you will find that ANZ will take over the engineering of ANSUKS boeings, and leave them with the Airbuses (hehe). You might see ANZ splashing out on a few themselves.
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Fri Jun 04, 1999 4:39 pm

To set the record staright

SQ is still sitting on its offer of $500million for news corps 50% stake

Air NZ has the first call at this stake in the company

No body has bought it yet

Ansett is still deciding what manufacturer to go with for its domestic fleet upgrade

In the national paper today "the Australian" there was an article suggesting that they may go for all narrowbodies but the downside to this is that it would mean trouble with the slot constraints at sydney and the morning and afternoon rush up and down the east coast.

Someone at Ansett said they very much liked the idea of a single cockpit

There is talk that Air NZ will by the 50% news corp stake and that SQ will buy a sizeable stake in Air NZ

Any further info please email me


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Ansett's Fleet Plans

Fri Jun 04, 1999 8:41 pm

Well, I read that Ansett is expected to commit to buying 35 new aircraft, valued at Au$2.4 billion, from Airbus by yearend. The airline is expected to order 10 A320s to replace its 767s and 25 A318s and A319s to replace 737s and some Bae 146s.
Maybe speculation, we'll have to wait.

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RE: Ansett's Fleet Plans

Fri Jun 04, 1999 9:02 pm

Well Todays Australian said they were still undecided

And the local magazine published monthy Australian Aviation was consistent with this story

can i ask where everyone else got their information please?

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RE: Ansett's Fleet Plans.

Fri Jun 04, 1999 9:06 pm

I think SpUd's right, 744s and narrow-bodied Airbuses. I think I've whinged about this before, but the Australian airline scene is incredibly dull and conservative. For such a sophisticated society, it's surprising that the airlines are so moribund. The whole history is full of deferred orders, markets underserved, and unions having complete control over everything (flight engineers on short-range 767s! ground staff refusing to refuel A300-600Rs for return trips to lessors after their Aussie operator - Compass - collapsed!). If Ansett are finally catching up with the rest of the world (they were still ordering new 727s in the 80s) then great, but if someone bought a load of those ex-UA/AA DC10-10s and put them onto Aussie domestic trunk routes, Ansett and Qantas would be ruined overnight. The Australian domestic market is the single biggest gap in the world airline market, and the Australian government have very lax rules about foreign ownership (maybe even up to 100%). Where is the Southern Hemisphere's answer to Heb Kelleher? If I had $100m it'd be me (although I am actually Australian and I do love Ansett, since my first ever flight was on their 727-200 VH-ANA).
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Fri Jun 04, 1999 9:26 pm

I have read it on World Airline Fleets News / June 99.
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Australian Domestic

Sat Jun 05, 1999 5:10 pm

Its not that easy to start up an airline here for a number of reasons.

Certainly my friends on the sydney airport message board think any new start up airline will fail, and that sentiment comes across in the papers and the aviation magazines.

There are always planned domestic airlines but they never get off the ground. There are so many planned its just not funny.

QF and AN have a strangle hold on the ground that prevents (well prohibits greatly) any other airline seeking their business from getting in the air.

Deregulation is supposed to be in effect but it siply isnt. QF and AN have the ground services the terminals the gates the CRS systems the travel agent loyalties and various other things

If i were you id sit on your $100 million. Because the saying in australia is if you want to make a small fortune in aviation you need to start with a large one!!!!!

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RE: Ansett's Fleet Plans.

Mon Jun 07, 1999 2:29 pm

Civilised society ausralia? Yes in many ways
but NO in so many others
Trust me on this one.... We're behind in a lot of ways - some operations are rather backward.....
Just one example: EFTPOS... a relatively new term for Aussies - been around in USA and Sth Africa/ Europe for much longer....
im being silly though - were highly developed country - Spelling in Australia though is SHOCKING!
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Mon Jun 07, 1999 3:48 pm

Exactly!!!!!! EXACTLY EXACTLY. I couldn't have said it better. We have a high cost high quality product, that nobody can really compete with. Those 2 companies have it good. Its really the Two airline policy refusing to die! If Australian Airlines and Qantas never merged, it would have been slightly possible. Instead i see us moving towards European trend of schedualed airline for business passengers or people willing to fork out the cash, and the bus for the rest. I think the only way anyone could challenge the AN/QF domestic seen really would be with the French high speed TGV trains. At 300 km per hour, traveling times on east coast routes would be only a few hours, and thats city centre to city centre. And the cost of rail will always be lower than air, simply because it cost a lot to leave the ground. If a freedy laker wants to come to Oz, I suggest he starts OZ-Rail. For those people who don't know, the state owned rail is old slow and run down, and really isn't an option because its normally far quicker to drive! This is the only thing i can see that would seriously offer low cost high speed transport competition at least along the east coast anyway.
It would be good for people wanting to travel say Brisbane Sydney or Sydney melbourne, or Brisbane Cairns, but i think it might take a bit to long for people wanting to travel say Cairns to Sydney, or Sydney to Brisbane. Ecen so, we should have this sort of technology here given the distances this bloody country has. LuftAOM, Cedarjet - what do you think?
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Lufthansa Has An Idea

Mon Jun 07, 1999 6:02 pm

Yes high speed trains might be the way to go. I live in sydney and the countrylink slow coaches (literally) are only good if you have time on your hands and they arnt that cheep either.

Qantas and Ansett have it good and keep the prices very similar. For example there was 20c difference between the two for a flight to adelaide when i enquired recently (now thats price fixing if i have ever seen it)

DC-10's up and down the east coast i would put lots of money on would fail quite somly because qf and an can afford to declare all out war on the newcomer. They can sustain losses for some period but a newcomer has to hit the ground running.

ansett is going through a fleet overhaul farming off some of the responsibilities to Kendell with CRJ-200's and modernising its fleet.

Going to be very interesting to see what cards qf plays especially concidering they are keeping them extremely close to their chest

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RE: Lufthansa Has An Idea

Tue Jun 08, 1999 10:32 am

Air NZ has tried for years to break into the Aussie market. The open skies policy of the early 80's was to bring commonality and free rein in each others country. Gullable NZ govt say 'cool' and signed away. Hence Ansett NZ was born. But surprise surprise, The wise Ausie govt said NO, 'we want more time, because we fear the competition.' Now its 1999! Air NZ bought its share in Ansett OZ to be a feeder for the Intl ops. Also they needed it for credibility in the eyes of the STAR group. You are right, Qantas would kill any competition. Very quickly simply because they can afford to run at a loss for years if need be.
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RE: Ansett's Fleet Plans

Tue Jun 08, 1999 10:34 pm

Both Boeing and Airbus are still pitching their products at Ansett. The original story was reported by a journo in Melbourne after having a long lunch with one of the Airbus reps that had been to see Ansett. Probably more aspiration and P.R. by the Airbus bloke than actual fact.
For the record, AN are saying that they can not order any new equipment until the brouhaha over their ownership is completed as this would jeapordise any possible bids on the table (if AN were to
suddenly increase their debt levels and exposure by committing a large amount of funds). Considering that the two owners would have to consent to any new purchases or intent to purchase, can't see any orders happening for quite some yet.

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