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Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 2:04 am

Hi everyone!

Not sure if you have heard of this. Boeing planned a B 747-700 a few years ago. It is called the NLA and it has similar size, as well as outlook as the A 380.

Boeing747-400 has the details for this. Since he has posted a topic, as well as a photo about the B 747-700 (NLA).

Before Boeing reaches the BWB point, they may need a huge plane to compete with the A 380. So, is there a chance for this aircraft? The B 747-700 (NLA) I mean.

Any idea?  Smile

 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 2:14 am

This photo and article was taken from Teahan's post awhile ago.




I think it would of been a beautiful bird, but Boeing realized in the 80s that it was to early to think of such a plane. I think Boeing wil soon realize that the time has come and start selling the 747X and -Stretch seriously.

Rgds,

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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 2:23 am

Thanks for the info.

But do you think they will EVER launch the B 747-700 some day? I mean......... eventually. I believe so. When the time has come.........

How about you?  Smile
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 2:25 am

I think Boeing will eventually launch the larger 747s, but the 747-700 was dropped a long time ago. So, will the 747-700 be launched? No. But Boeing will launch larger 747s when the time comes.


Rgds,

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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 2:28 am

Sounds cool.

As you may know, Boeing cancelled the B 747-500/600 project a few years ago. However, they relaunched similar products which are the B 747X/B 747 X Stretch.

So, do you they they will do that to the B 747-700X eventually? I mean launching an NLA which is as big as the B 747-700X........

Possible?
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2001 2:48 am

Of course, when the market comes, Boeing will launch a new NLA. But it will be awhile because the A380 and 747X Stretch will be doing the NLA business for a long time.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 2:54 am

Good to hear that. Maybe in 10 years time? What do you think Boeing747-400?

I heard that the NLA is even bigger than the A 380. Can anyone confirm this?

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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 3:11 am

Yes it is larger. I'd say more like 20 yrs time before we see another NLA after the A380 and B747X Stretch. The A380 is actually like a 747 with a long upper deck, it isn't as big as you think, it is smaller than the C5, and a little larger than a 744 in dimensions, only it has the long upperdeck.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2001 3:17 am

It looks almost identical to the A380! I think Boeing should concentrate on aircraft sizes that they are producing now. All they are doing is distracting possible A380 customers.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 3:17 am

That would be cool!

Correct! The A 380 is not that hig. It is just slightly bigger than the B 747-400, with its stretched upper deck. The AN 225 is WAY bigger.

The new NLA (Probably called the B 747-700) will be a successor of the B 747X Stretch. Probably UAL, BA etc WILL order the NLA when Boeing launches it in 20 years time.

The future of the B 747 is unlimited!!!! Boeing has great plans in hand for the B 747. Let us now see how successful the B 747-400 LR will be (Sorry to burst the bubbles of those who think that the B 777 is everything).  Smile


 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 3:18 am

One more thing, nice chat with you Kevin.  Smile
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 3:24 am

I don't think the 747-700 will ever be launched. I do think that Boeing will come out with a large and different plane, but it will probably have it's own name. The NLA war of 2001-2020 has only begun with the A380 and larger 747s, so let's not even start guessing what happens beyond that United Airline.  Smile

Nice to chat with you to.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 3:33 am

True. The new NLA will probably have its own name. But I will not rule out the possibility of it being a family member of the B 747.  Smile

However, what I would like to point out is that: Boeing has indeed put in a lot of effort into the B 747 and will continue in doing so. The future of the B 747 is unlimited.

The first weapon is out......... The B 747-400LR.

Anyway, let's see.

 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 3:37 am

*ahem*

re: "(the A380) is smaller than the c5"

-The C-5's MTOW is 840,000 lbs, MUCH less than the A380 (base model's will be 1,235,000 lbs)

re: "The An-225 is WAY bigger (than the 380)".

-I believe the An-225's MTOW is 1,322,750 lbs or so, only 8% or so bigger than the base A-380, and certainly LESS than the eventual stretched version.

Next flight.... who knows.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 3:48 am

I doubt that the A 380 will ever be built larger than the AN 225.

AN 225 is the largest plane ever built.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 3:59 am


First, let me say that the Boeing 747 is my favourite aircraft of all time. That having been said, I do not think that we will see anything significantly bigger from Boeing....there will not be any justification for it. Airbus will satisfy the narrow market that aircraft of that size can generate.

The biggest market for the 747 from now forward will be as a "cheap" super freighter. I say cheap because it will be able to sell for much less than the A380 freighter.

Another market will appear when the 747 starts to become a prestige-enhancing flagship for third world airlines. This happened to the 707 when the 747 appeared. The first signs of this have already begun to show. Just this week Air Gabon ordered a 747-400 for its flights to Europe and major African capitals. Air Namibia also ordered and received one last year for service to Europe.

Boeing realizes that the time has come to move on from the 747 and into the world of near-supersonic and supersonic aircraft. Unlike large cruise ships, most people do not like sitting aboard large planes for long durations. The world wants SPEED not size. I bet that they will concentrate on getting a very fast plane with the capacity of the 777 into the air by 2020 (the supersonic "issues" should be resolved by then). They have already made a move in that direction by focusing their efforts on the new Sonic Cruiser. The issue with that one is that it will only fly at Mach 0.98.

As Boeing gets closer to producing a large superfast transport, Airbus will realize the mistake that they have made by investing in the A380.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 4:00 am

 Smile

you may well be right Des, but in any case, the 225 will not be WAY bigger than the 380. don't get me wrong, I love the Antonovs... just stating a fact!

Next flight.... who knows.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 4:20 am

A plane after me, Boeing how thankful I am. I feel so honored!!!~~~~~
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 4:21 am

Reggaebird:


Existing B 744 customers DO NEED the capacity of B 744s and many of them DO NOT need the A 380. So, there are still plenty of rooms for the B 747-400LR.

The reason why we aren't getting that many B 744 orders is because......... the B 744s owned by existing customers are way too new to be replaced. Do expect large orders of the B 744LR when existing B 744s need to be replaced.


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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 4:23 am

BOEING747-700:


You are right!  Smile  Smile  Smile

I hope Boeing will re-launch the B 747-700 some time in the future.


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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 4:30 am

Boeing is going ahead with a longer range version of the 747-400 called the 500. The dimentions of this aircraft are the same as the 400 except for the winglets, that will be of different design. The take off weight will be increased and consequently the range. For the 600 or stretched version there was no interest from the airlines. So Boeing pulled their engineers from that project to focus on the "Sonic Cruiser" that has received a lot of interest from the airlines.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 4:35 am

Jean Leloup,

The A380 is really not as big as you think. It is a few ft longer than a 747, and has the upper deck all the way. The C5-A is bigger than the A380, regardless of MTOW. THe A380 will fit into airports nicely with 747s, because it will be sort of like seeing a 747 with a long upper deck when you're there. The An-225 is MUCH bigger than the A380.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 7:50 am

Well, the A380 is very fat if you want to compare it to a 747! The u/d of a 747 can only have a 3-3 configuration of economy but the u/d of the A380 can have a 340 configuration of 2-4-2!! So the 380 is NOT like a 747 with a stretched u/d. I think that the difference will be obvious.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 11:46 am

Boeing747-400,

In reality, the A380 has a significantly wider wingspan and weighs much more than the 747-400. Almost all of the existing airports that hope to service the airplane will require infrastructure upgrades to accomodate it. Gate areas must be widened, taxiways (and possibly runways) must be widened and strengthened, jetways will need to be modified (and possibly replaced) and the ramp areas must be strengthened to prevent the planes from SINKING while on the stand.

These requirements are already being discussed/addressed at airports like LHR, JFK, SIN and SYD but there are much more that will need to get moving soon.

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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 12:46 pm

Boeing also had a proposal for a "super widebody". This particular aircraft had an economy seating arrangement of 12-14 abreast seating on one deck. A 3-4-4-3 arrangement I think. This did grab the attention of some airlines because the evacuation worries were not as great as for the double deck arrangement. I remember reading about it in AW&ST, but I don't remember when it was.

As far as the 747-700, it won't happen. To much emphasis on the sonic criuser and updating the 744.
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 12:54 pm

Boeing_nut:

You mean the BWB? That is a double decker as well. However, safety issues is another problem that Boeing has to solve.

For the B 747-700, I doubt it will happen in the next 20 years. But the time comes, Boeing WILL develop this product. Or probably another NLA.

Boeing never said that there is no market for the NLA for good. They just said that there isn't a need for the NLA in the next 20 years.

However, Boeing is now studying the BWB. And they preserved the ability to produce a VLA (ie: B 747X/X Stretch).


Reggaebird:

Please do a search on this. Indeed, the A 380 is bigger than the B 744. No question.

However, it is NOT significantly bigger. In fact, the stretched upper deck makes it a lot heavier than it should be. The AN 225 is, but not the A 380.


Regards.

 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 2:10 pm

No, not the BWB. It was a standard configuration aircraft. I'll try to find the article.
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Mon Jun 04, 2001 2:17 pm

Double Deckor???
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 3:55 am

UnitedAirline,

Please see the comparison chart on the attached URL. It believe that it shows that the A380 is SIGNIFICANTLY larger than the 747-400. What do you think?

http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20010101/aw30.htm

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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 4:06 am

It's nicer than the A380 thats all I can say.
The cocpit on the 2. floor is much nicer, and it still has the 747 look alike nose.

Hope to see it one time

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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 4:40 am

Reggaebird,

The A380 will not be as large as the C5-A. However, when you see a 744 and a C5-A close up together, there really isn't that big of a difference, so don't expect the A380 to be that much bigger. Regardless of specs, if you were to see an A380 and a 744 by each other, there would be even a smaller difference than the 747 and the C5-A, which is already small. So the A380 is not significantly larger than the 744, it is fatter and a little taller.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 6:09 am

Boeing 747-400,

The width of the fuselage is irrelevant. Please look at the wingspan figures for the A380. There is a 50ft difference in the width and that extra width makes it SIGNIFICANTLY wider that the 747. That is a huge issue for airports that currently have their berths spaced to accomodate large aircraft like the 744. Accomodating the A380 will require expanding the distances between berths.

The aircraft, when loaded, will weigh over 350,000lbs more than the 747-400. Therefore I think it qualifies as a SIGNIFICANTLY heavier aircraft. Stands and taxiways will need to be strengthened to accomodate the planes.

Check the height of the A380. It will be more than 16ft taller than the 744. That is a SIGNIFICANT height difference. Maintenance hangars will need to be modified to accept the tail.

The figures clearly show that the A380 will be LARGER than the 747. Let's just face the facts. It will be a burden for most airports to handle it. Indeed, some airports will not be able to handle the planes without massive infrastructure upgrades.

My prediction is that, like Concorde, this "european beauty" will be welcomed at only a few airports in the world. I would be surprised if we see more than 200 of these planes built in the passenger version as it stands now. However, a smaller -100 series aircraft might be a better seller. The cargo version will be the real hot seller because cargoports don't have the same kind of space requirements/restraints as passenger airports.

Well done Airbus!

Thornton
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 6:20 am

Of course it is wider and taller, but so is the C5-A. I am just telling you, all and all, don't expect to see a huge difference in B744 and A380 size as you think. They are both such huge planes, that 25ft on each side and and a few ft higher doesn't make a huge difference.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 6:29 am

Boeing 747-400,

With all due respect, if you don't think that those dimension increases make a difference, then I would question your knowledge about commercial aviation and airport operations.

I've laid out some clear reasons why the size increase will be a challenge but I think that you are refusing to see it. I will discontinue my attempt to clarify this with you. You are entitled to your beliefs.

Cheers,

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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 6:32 am

this is a Boeing vs. Airbus war in the makings.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 6:33 am

No need to talk like that. I never denied that the A380 is bigger. It is bigger than the 744. But, not a lot bigger as you say. If you look at the whole plane, it really isn't that bigger. Of course the reasons you stated make it bigger and you can tell a difference, but not a drastic difference as you think, just like with the C5A and 744, not a very drastic difference, I've seem them together. And with the A380 even smaller than C5, I can tell you that the difference is not significant, nor drastic. Believe what you want, but my eyes don't lie.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 6:39 am


OK, we agree to disagree. However, I think that I understand why you refuse to see the truth. Let's just say......"it's always BIGGER in Texas". Stop looking at the 747 with your Texas eyes!

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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 6:45 am

You think I understand why I don't see the truth? Well, look who think's they're always right now. I tell yuo what I've seen, and that we will see the a380 at some airports to compare to the 747. If you think the A380 is drastically bigger than the 747, you're plain wrong. A C5A is NOT drastically bigger than a 747, I've seen them right by each other. An A380 is smaller than a C5, so I don't think it will be drastically bigger than 747 either. Besides, what does it matter? What a dumb thing to discuss. Also, don't even get me started with living in Texas or insulting me.  Pissed
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 7:26 am

Hate to add fuel to the fire, but
Here we go:

747-400 A380-100 C-5A

Length 232 ft 240 ft 247 ft
Wingspan 211 ft 262 ft 223 ft
Height 64 ft 79 ft 65 ft
MTOW 875 klb 1235 klb 840 klb

Boeing 747-400 said : "An A380 is smaller than a C5."

As you can see (or CAN you?), the 380 is 40 feet WIDER, 14 ft HIGHER, and 400,000 lbs heavier than a C5. That's almost 50% heavier than a C5, and considerably wider and taller. The C5, granted, is 7 ft longer.

Is it on the basis of 7 feet more of length that you are so certain that the C-5 is bigger than the 380? I hope not, that would be ridiculous. The 380 , judging by these figures, is CONSIDERABLY larger than even a C5, let alone a 747-400. PLease explain why you think otherwise, if you have anything useful to add. I'm not trying to be mean, it just seems to me that your conclusions are absurd, judging from the FACTS. I'd like to hear your reasoning.

Next flight.... who knows.
 
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Tue Jun 05, 2001 8:00 am


Just some dimensions to hammer the point home!


B747-400 - 231' 10" long, 211' 5" wingspan, 63' 8" tall
C-5 Galaxy - 247' 10" long, 222' 8" wingspan, 65' 1" tall
A380-100 - 239' 6" long, 261' 10" wingspan, 79' 1" tall

The only A380 dimesion that is smaller than anyone else's is the length in relation to the Galaxy. However, most of that extra length in the galaxy is not usable space. I will try to find the volume figures next if you still have doubts.

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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 8:10 am

United,

No, not a double decker. It was an oval fuselage design, but from side to side. Not top to bottom. Still trying to find the article.
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 8:21 am

Reggaebird,

Maybe I was wrong on the C5 thing, however I still hold my case. I don't know what you and Jean Leoup consider to be significantly bigger. I consider a plane that is significantly bigger to the next plane to be at least more than 30% larger. Now the A380 is very similar in size to the C5, but it is not SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER than the 744. It is BIGGER. If is was a lot (significantly) bigger than the 744, then it would be about the size of an An-225, which is actually way bigger than the 744. Get your facts straight now, the A380 is only bigger than the 744, but give me a break, it isn't SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER. Let me put it this way, would you consider the 737-300 significantly bigger than the -500? No, but it is bigger, but not that much bigger. Stop exaggerating here. You posted the dimensions yourselves, and when you put those numbers together in a whole aircraft, none are significantly bigger or smaller than the other. If you think they are, then a 733 might as well be significantly bigge than a 735.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 8:23 am

im not too familiar with the whole 747-700/A-380 thing but personnaly I'd be scared to fly on such a big aircraft
and i dont think itll develop. its compared to being on one of those navigator limos- there just too big!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 10:05 am

Dearest Boeing 747-400,

It amazes me that you are able to come up with such ridiculous logic to justify your arguments. I will have to remember that there is some scientific law that equates 30% to the word "significant".  Smile

Anyway, let me try ONE MORE TIME to get the point across using your own analogy about the Boeing 737-500 and the 737-300. The -300 is NOT SIGNIFICANTLY bigger than the -500 because....both airplanes can use the same facilities at airports without requiring modification to those facilities. For reasons that I have stated earlier, most airports that plan to handle the Airbus A380 will require modifications to accomodate it because it has SIGNIFICANTLY increased statistics.

I have tried my best and will say a prayer in the hope that you will finally see that you might........BE WRONG!!!!!!  Big grin
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 11:10 am

Regardless of which plane uses what euipment at XXX airport, you are still wrong. An aircraft has to be a lot bigger than another aircraft to be significantly bigger. Get it? Very simple. So, if you say the A380 is a lot bigger than the 747, I would expect it to be much longer and much taller. It is a lot wider, I'll give it that. But when you add all dimensions together in one plane, you will see the A380 is not significantly bigger!

If you're praying over this topic, well, Charter can help.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 11:51 am

Miu pachore Boeing 747-400,

Oel chiem jalaen spas doi gratsap doi emtoret! Alai voereis A380 spasnut viuteno climerot fos FASEILVINOU peited spas 747-400! Eiu cairet bienea saodier tatin fos PURIARET!

 Smile  Sad

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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 1:18 pm

Could you please translate that? Or are you too afraid of my response?  Smile
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 1:28 pm

I agree. Translate that if you are a man!  Smile
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 1:39 pm

What language is it in? French it looks like, but the translator makes no sense.
 
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RE: Anyone Heard Of Boeing's Proposed B 747-700 (NLA)?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 2:20 pm

Ich habe einen Zweifel, daß Fluglinien ein NLA anders als das A380 kaufen.
in irgendeiner Situation:
Wir müssen die Tatsachen konfrontieren:
Niemand hat reales Wissen der letzten Projekte von Boeing anders als die 767 und die 777.

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