airwarrior
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JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Tue Jun 05, 2001 2:08 am

I saw today thay jetBlue now has a bus running between T6 and the subway station at Jamaica, NY to connect with the LIRR and the MTA lines. They are only charging $5 for the service - another interesting innovation at jetBlue.
 
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Tue Jun 05, 2001 2:13 am

Theres another way to lower seat/mile costs....

come on Neeleman
 
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Tue Jun 05, 2001 2:19 am

JetBlue always coming up with new and innovative ideas.
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Tue Jun 05, 2001 1:22 pm

That's a very good idea...anything to help overcome the perception that JFK is "too far away" from Manhattan, when in fact it's closer than ORD is to downtown Chicago. This bus service is probably a stopgap measure until the JFK "AirTrain" monorail is completed and hooks pax at all terminals up to the railroads and buses for free.

Don't begrudge Neeleman his $5 for the service. It helps keep fares down.

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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Tue Jun 05, 2001 1:46 pm

I can't belive anyone else didn't think of that one/
 
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Tue Jun 05, 2001 2:20 pm

Its gotta be JetBlue!
 
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Tue Jun 05, 2001 2:55 pm

Way to go JetBlue my foot!

There has always been bus service between JFK and Jamaica Station. It has always stopped at all of the terminals and went to the Jamaica Station. There has always also been a bus between the terminals and the A-Train that runs to JFK.

No new innovation here. I have taken the bus, long before JetBlue was even a dream.

 
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Tue Jun 05, 2001 3:03 pm

Wonder if this is a preemptive measure for CO's soon-to-be-built EWR-Manhat. rail line.
 
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Tue Jun 05, 2001 3:08 pm

There is a EWR Manhatten rail connection that you have to access via a bus from the airport.

No it is not a preemptive strike, it is a means of getting passengers into an airport that is relatively difficult to access via mass transit.

$45-75 dollars to ride from the city. $35 via car from Brooklyn. $10-15 from Queens via car (by car I mean car {taxi} service.

Via mass transit, it can take upwards of 2 hours from door step to terminal to get to JFK. Hence the volume of traffic at easier to acces LGA and EWR compared to JFK.
 
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Tue Jun 05, 2001 9:18 pm

Yes, Exusair, I have taken the "original" bus service myself. The difference with the new jetBlue service is that it goes non-stop (well if you can count being on the van Wyck nonstop) from T6 to Jamaica. Often times the trip around the terminal lasted longer than the trip to the station. Also, jetBlue will be able to control the customer service issue on these buses - I have encountered some less than friendly staff on the Airporter Express lines. You're right Exusair - jetBlue didnt invent the bus shuttle service - they just improved upon it drastically.
 
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Exusair

Tue Jun 05, 2001 9:52 pm

god, is this really bothering you that much?

sure EWR and LGA might be easier to get to. but youll be waiting on the taxiway for god knows how long.

no, it might now be something new. but it does show our pax that we go out of our way for them. to explore alternatives, to give options.

i dont know what else to say...

N
 
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Tue Jun 05, 2001 10:18 pm

I don;t love it.

Neeleman has stated that he wants to lower seat/mile costs by like 4 cents this year which is like 8-10%. Thats pretty heady and difficult with all these new services. Chartering a bus and paying for labor, insurance, gas, maintenance, storage etc will do nothing to lower seat mile costs and I don;t believe will be a tremendous business getter for the airline.

I would like to see further steps at JetBlue lowering costs through increased effeciencies et al rather then costly new dubious customer service enhancements.

Wait till that area meal thing is started if ever.....

hey jim  Smile hope summer is happy/healthy

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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Tue Jun 05, 2001 11:53 pm

once again, JetBlue rises above all the other airlines in meeting the needs of their passengers. A lot of first time flyers are impressed with their service, this will only lead to them attracting more customers. I wonder what will be next?
 
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Wed Jun 06, 2001 12:00 am

The bus is a nice idea, but you still have to take the A train all the way out there -- not so nice.

How many people are going to board a subway with luggage etc. when they can catch an airporter shuttle bus for $13 from a multitude of hotels in manhattan?

 
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Wed Jun 06, 2001 12:44 am

Isn't there a bus service between JFK and the Jamica Station already.. I am sure I saw the shuttle bus a few times... Someone help me...

I can't wait for the momorail to get going.. How is it progressing?
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Wed Jun 06, 2001 1:11 am

Hey Russ...summer's great here. I'm in Rochester for a week, where the world is greener than I thought possible. My mom says rains have been heavy. Upstate New York is so beautiful...forests, fields, lake shore and marsh ponds, and it's all brighter green than the color tweaking on an HP scanner could make it.  Smile

Still, I would have been MUCH happier making my Southwest flight right into Rochester International Airport than having to fly to BUF. Another letter to Southwest will be written shortly.

When is the AirTrain at JFK supposed to open? That will make for train service right from T6 to Manhattan, even if it does involve a couple of changes. That changes the JFK picture drastically....trains don't sit in expressway traffic.

I take the Maryland Transit Authority's MARC commuter trains from DC to BWI, and it's great. From the DC Metro system, four blocks from my house, it's two trains, a short bus ride (which will be replaced by a people mover train in a few years) and I'm at BWI. MARC costs $5. You can't beat it, especially as car traffic around BWI becomes more congested.

When the JFK AirTrain opens, JetBlue will probably pitch it heavily. If I remember right, there's not subway access to LaGuardia, only expensive cabs. And subways don't have to sit in expressway traffic.

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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Wed Jun 06, 2001 4:28 am

>>And subways don't have to sit in expressway traffic.

Yeah, but there are times when you wished you weren't on the train when the delays/problems start. While it doesn't happen often, it's sure a pain when it does. If you are a frequent rider, like myself you'll come to understand what the term "sick passenger" means.

While there is no direct subway to LGA, you can take the E/F/7 line to Roosevelt and the Q33 (I could be wrong on that bus#) It's acutally quicker to do the 7 train/Q33 bus option to LGA then it is A train/shuttle bus to JFK from Manhattan. I've done the 7/Q33 many times and the A train past Howard Beach/JFK every night.

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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Wed Jun 06, 2001 5:35 am

And let's not forget, Mikephotos, the dynamite M60 across 125th St. that can take you from the Upper (or Yupper) West Side (stops at the 1/9 and A stations) to LGA.
i do this all the time and when you go against traffic, it is like 25 minutes from my house in Washington Heights to LGA.
all for $1.50

Why they don't have subway trains and the LIRR to JFK and subways to LGA is beyond me but with the NIMBYism of today I fear this ain't gonna happen.

I'd like to know more about the bus train link to EWR, I thought EWR had no public transport to Manhattan until the monorail to the new station is built.


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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Wed Jun 06, 2001 6:33 am

EWR does (and has for some time) have bus service to Manhatten... I just used it to lounge in Central Park on a 6 hour EWR layover. Several different routes, the one I took dropped me off at the port commission transit station (@ times square). Though it did cost $20.

 
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Q33 To LGA

Wed Jun 06, 2001 7:48 am

Mike:

You're right re: Q33 to LGA. It's operated by Triboro Coach under contract to New York City DOT.

Triboro's site:

http://www.triborocoach.com

The bus to JFK is the Q10, operated by Green Bus Lines:

http://www.greenbus.com
 
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Wed Jun 06, 2001 1:03 pm

Thanks all for the info on subway-bus service to LGA. The bus from EWR has sure gone up in price....when I flew PEOPLExpress to EWR and took a bus to the city in 1985, the bus fare was $6 one way.

Once the transit service to JFK is all train, that should make JFK much more attractive to people all over the region. At least in my own experience, a major city airport free of using congested roads, can't be beat. I can be productive on trains, reading dense books for my studies, for instance. It's not "lost time" like if I were driving, and I'm not worrying about traffic like if I were on a bus.

Yes trains can be delayed....last year the Washington Metro was having switching problems as scads of 25-year old switch nodes were burning out, and there were a lot of delays. They fixed them all and things are better this year. But as you say trains aren't completely perfect either. They sure have a lot better, um, track record than road transport in big cities.

I too am surprised that there isn't a subway line direct to LaGuardia's terminal. The Washington Metro station at Reagan National Airport is a huge success and it's hard to imagine DCA without it.

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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Wed Jun 06, 2001 10:11 pm

I think that the Port Authority is setting up the Airtrain for failure with a proposed $5 fare as published in the DEIS a couple of years ago. They won't attract either of the two markets for city-airport rail travel.

The business traveller, with just a briefcase, is on an expense account and will most likely continue to use taxis or the New York Airport Service bus. Nobody will pay a LIRR fare to transfer to a $5 Airtain.

The "backpack crowd" that now uses the free Port Authority shuttle bus to get to the A train at Howard Beach will be forced to pay $6.50 [up from the current $1.50] to reach Manhattan. Expect them to switch to the Q10 bus/subway connection which will remain $1.50 if you use MetroCard.

Nowhere else in the USA does a transit service charge an outlandish fare to get to the airport. Atlanta and Chicago both have excellent rapid transit links to downtown which do not require a transfer. They charge a regular transit fare.
 
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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Wed Jun 06, 2001 10:18 pm

Airtrain goes where? Just to the subway station right, its not even a direct route to Manhattan. And once at the subway, its like 50 mins to NYC. Yeah I don;t think Airtrain is optimal.

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RE: JetBlue Starting A Bus Shuttle To Subway

Wed Jun 06, 2001 10:20 pm

I wonder if the MTA in New York would like to get its hands on the AirTrain and make it the new JFK train...they had one from Midtown Manhatten in the 80s, it followed the A Train tracks but stopped only at a few major stations.

Jeff

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