vunz
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Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Tue Jun 05, 2001 8:10 pm

I heard from a friend working eith the KLM that they plan to replace their 767 fleet with 777 to be able to compete with other airlines flying to/from the middle east. I this rumour founded; has anyone heard it too?
 
Notarzt
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Wed Jun 13, 2001 5:11 am

Folks,

I would like to refresh this topic. What about KLM's long announced decision in early June 2001? Any news?

Daniel
 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Wed Jun 13, 2001 5:36 am

I though that they were going to announce it(plane plans) on June 9 but I guess not. Too bad I was really expecting something big!!
KLM
 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Wed Jun 13, 2001 5:41 am

Well that's it when you wait for an airline to make an order... They will never do it when it is expected... Funny but true...
I hope they order some 777s in the next weeks or months but I'll be happy if they do so before 2020... Wink/being sarcastic
 
Notarzt
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Wed Jun 13, 2001 5:58 am

Godbless,

Same to you. However, I hope they will order the B767-400 (this one needs an uplift) plus some B777s.

Daniel  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Wed Jun 13, 2001 6:40 am

Notarzt,

Maybe Lufthansa will give the 764 an uplift to replace the A300 but also here we must have a lot of time...
I doubt KLM will go for the 764 since they aren't too happy with their 763s which they have in their fleet now.
 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Wed Jun 13, 2001 7:08 am

Wait for another 2 weeks. Probably KLM will announces their order at France's Le Bourget Air Show.
 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Wed Jun 13, 2001 7:24 am

"I doubt KLM will go for the 764 since they aren't too happy with their 763s which they have in their fleet now."

Can you provide any proof of this, or is it just another rumor?
 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Wed Jun 13, 2001 8:40 am

Cba,
well I can't proof it. It has been talked about here on the forum a couple of times by now. I don't know who said it but the person who brought it up had it from KLM in some way or another.
 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Wed Jun 13, 2001 9:21 am

KLM Fleet Homepage http://corporate.klm.com/Fleet/Fleet.asp

KLM should replace the following planes to new planes....

Order Boeing 777s to replace McDonnell Douglas MD11s
Order Airbus 330s to replace Boeing 767s

Boeing 737-800s are currently in service with KLM.
http://corporate.klm.com/Fleet/frame/Boeing737-800.asp

Let me know if this fit into KLM fleet plans... If Not, Oh Well !

Baec777  Smokin cool
 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Thu Jun 14, 2001 12:41 am

First of all, I don't think KLM is actually going to "replace" the 763s. Airlines just don't replace new aircraft unless that aircraft does not fit in their route structure, or a few other reasons. Mabye KLM will supplement the 763, with let's say the 764, but that's all. Regarding these so called "problems" KLM is having with their 763s, if there are any problems at all it has to do with KLMs route structure, but I really doubt that. KLM must be the only 767 operator experienceing "problems" with their 767s.

-Tom
 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Thu Jun 14, 2001 12:55 am

Last I heard Ansett was doing really well with their 767's  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

The KLM 767's leases expire soon (2005?) so they are looking at options of replacing them with alternative aircraft.

All order announcements by KLM have been postponed until they know where they stand with the European alliance partner they are still searching for.

But they have announced plans to replace all Fokker 70 and 100's with new 70 and 100 seat regional jets. They haven't announced the order but with Fokker (yes they still exist) recently agreeing to work with Embraer, and Embraer producing both a 70 and 100 (soon) seat aircraft, hmmmm..... Hey you didn't hear it from me...

My last time at the KL maintenance facility they had a lot of pictures of 777's hanging around and, not that it is that relevent to the 777, but the KL engine shop is being re-fitted to handel P&W engines in addition to the current GE engines.

As for the MD-11's I love so much. They are just baby's, the fleet is only around 8.5 years old everyone else is still using them so why can't KL.

And of course they already announced the classic 747's will be replaced with 747-400's sooo

The big a/c order everyone is waiting on really won't be that big... + fear of an economic downturn might make it that much smaller.

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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Thu Jun 14, 2001 4:32 am

Nuair, you're correct. The leases on the first 3 B767's will expire in 2005, the next 5 in 2006 and the next two in 2007. Of the other two B767 I don't know when the lease expire as they weren't covered by the initial order. When the lease expires KLM can A) renew the lease for another 10 years, B) buy the B767's, C) lease a different aircraft from ILFC.

Anyway, does anybody know who the unidentified buyer of 25 B737NG's is. I've heard some rumours as the unidentified buyer is KLM.

Regards
Laurens
 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:00 am

"Last I heard Ansett was doing really well with their 767's"

Yea, and last I heard Ansett's maintence was up to snff too.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

-Tom

 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Thu Jun 14, 2001 7:52 am

It is likely that KLM will not renew its leases on the 767s, KLM just has not been that happy with the aircraft, I do not think that there is anything wrong with the 763s, they are just not a good fit into KLM's fleet and they want something bigger. The couple of 763s that fly within europe will likely be replaced indirectly by the new 739s, and KLM has been shopping for long time for one aircraft or aircraft family to replace the 763s/MD11s/some of the 747 Classics over time. Its the A330/340 series against the 772/773 variants, and the rumor is that Boeing will win this one. The anouncement has been long delayed. We could be surprised, but its likely that the 777 will replace the 767 in the KLM fleet.
 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Thu Jun 14, 2001 8:08 am

I'd love to see KLM 777s, and 764s. I like they're current livery but I'd be interested in what they could come up with if they put a new livery on either of the two types. Any of you agree?
 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:56 pm

LJ,

You mean in addition to the 737NG's already ordered? Why would they keep an additional order a secret? Although if you go to pprune.net or .org whatever it is. The KLM uk pilots are talking about 737ng's replacing the current Fokkers. So maybe this is an order for uk... which would be strange since KL will probably have to get rid of KL uk if the merger with BA is to go through.
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Fri Jun 15, 2001 2:48 pm

From what I hear the rumour is that KLM will order additional B737NG's to replace all the B737-300/400s. This step seems logic to me (the B737-300/400's are getting old) but nothing has been confirmed yet. Fact is that the Boeing site still mentions 25 B737NG's with an unidentified buyer(s). I hope next week (at Le Bourget) we'll hear more.

Regards
Laurens
 
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RE: Will KLM Replace 767 With 777?

Fri Jun 15, 2001 4:41 pm

question: Why is KLM not happy with their 767-300's ????

anybody the answer?

regards, Arjan