cedarjet
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Annoying Rumours W/out Basis In Fact

Thu Jun 03, 1999 8:30 pm

God these ill-informed rumours piss me off. No way would any captain be allowed to fly for 14 hours straight. These guys get paid very well and they're not going to risk having their licence revoked for busting the rules like that. Also, the idea of an airliner holding for 2 hours (let alone 4) is quite bizarre. No way would the captain delegate a landing in such treacherous conditions to a new-hire 1st officer if he thought the job was beyond him. For the sake of AA's bank balance (I'm thinking of the lawyers here), I hope the pilot was not informed of the true conditions, as I said earlier the wind was gusting up to 87 mph four minutes BEFORE the crash. Apparently Swissair are being sued for not "flying the plane right" during the events last September when their MD11 caught fire in flight. Why do people always assume pilots are stupid and can't do their job properly? They are professional people and their decision-making ability is a very refined skill based upon masses and masses of data and experience acquired over a long period of time, and even when the verdict is "pilot error", it's cos they were lead down a path by a series of events. If the AA crew had known the true conditions at Little Rock, they would not have landed. If Swissair's MD11 crew had known that the smoke was about to turn into a massive cockpit fire they would have landed without dumping fuel, but a decision-making process can only be made using the facts available.
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RE: Annoying Rumours W/out Basis In Fact

Thu Jun 03, 1999 9:53 pm

As much as we would not like to blame the pilots, pilots screw up too. When a surgeon screws up, the patient dies. When a pilots screws up, the plane crashes.

Also, think about the air traffic controller in this situation. Air traffic controllers screw up too. Maybe the air traffic controller took a nap and decided not to tell AA 1420 the weather conditions.

But, if AA 1420 was given weather warnings, American will have a bushel of lawsuits in their hands.
 
David L
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RE: Annoying Rumours W/out Basis In Fact

Thu Jun 03, 1999 10:18 pm

That's NOT what Cedarjet and others are saying. The point is that it's irresponsible and, to me quite disgusting, that people are already GUESSING whose fault it was without knowing nearly enough about the incident. Is it some kind of game whereby people make a guess in the hope that when the causes are established they can say "See, I told you that months ago"?

You can't blame ANYONE till the cause(s) have been established.
 
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RE: Annoying Rumours W/out Basis In Fact

Thu Jun 03, 1999 11:27 pm

I've said this in another post and I'll say it again:

In any investigation, a hypothesis must be developed. Then the hypothesis must be tested. The "speculation" can be considered a hypothesis. Facts are useless without a hypothesis.
 
wingman
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RE: Annoying Rumours W/out Basis In Fact

Fri Jun 04, 1999 1:11 am

Speculation is human nature. I agree with First Class. And the facts show that the majority of airline fatalities are due to pilot error. Without a doubt, new technology makes the human factor the weakest link in the chain. Ego and emotion often are the root cause of such disasters. Landing in a severe thunderstorm makes me wonder what the pilot had scheduled the next day. A trip with his kids, a date with a new girlfriend. You'd be surprised what risks people will take in order to satisdfy an internal demand. If speculation pisses anyone off, don't invest in the NASDAQ. You're head will explode by noon.
 
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RE: Annoying Rumours W/out Basis In Fact

Fri Jun 04, 1999 11:43 am

You know what crash had an annoying level of speculation about it? TWA 800. All thanks to Pierre Salinger. Personnally I believe the NTSB center fuel tank story. It all makes sense, including witness reports if you take into account the time it takes for sound to travel, and the fact that most of the fuselage started climbing after a massive unbalancing.

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