jderden777
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Non-revving

Wed Jun 06, 2001 6:09 am

hey i'm flying to DFW from CLT in a few days (non-rev on AA) and i don't have to pay anything...i was wondering which airlines out there make you pay for flying standby...like ID95 and all that stuff

jonathan d.

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RE: Non-revving

Wed Jun 06, 2001 6:28 am

I know from my days at FL and EV that when you fly on other airlines, we'd either have to pay $50, or it was ID90, ID75, ID50. And on several airlines we could get a confirmed RT ticket for a set price. One such offer I could have taken advantage of was Alitalia from BOS to Milan for something like $400 RT. We had a similar deal with Iberia out of MIA and JFK to MAD for $369 RT. As being an employee of Delta (at least a subsidiary company), we got non-rev passage on SkyTeam partners (provided it was a codeshare with Delta), like ATL-CDG on AF, and would be seated in Business Class or First Class is space was available, all we would have to pay were the International duties and customs, which could be payroll deducted from our paycheck. Any U.S. airline that charges its' non-revs for travel usually charge somewhere between $15-$25 to fly, but more and more airlines are making domestic travel free for their employees, save for Int'l flights, where all you pay are the taxes and duties.
 
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RE: Non-revving

Wed Jun 06, 2001 6:58 am

Every airline probably has a different system. I'll explain AA's because that's what we use. For immediate family members flying D-2, there is not a charge for coach domestic travel. Once you leave the U.S., there are those small customs duties and stuff but it's still a great deal...as long as you get on. I know that a first class international ticket is about $200 (What a deal!?!?!). As far as ID90...I think you can do it on any airline but I'm not sure of the arrangements. However, if an employee gives you a non-rev ticket, you fly D-3 and I believe there is a small charge for that flight. It all depends on if you get on or not!
 
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RE: Non-revving

Wed Jun 06, 2001 9:20 am

Hey SRBMod you dont know how DL would treat an FL employee traveling on a revenue ticekt? Im doing ATL-CDG on DL and would love to end up in BusinessElite, i know I would extend the courtesy to any DL person, but i have my doubts that DL would do it the other way especialy ATL-CDG did i mention my ankle was broken and i need that extra large seat
 
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RE: Non-revving

Wed Jun 06, 2001 12:39 pm

Jonathan,

I used to non-rev on United Express quite a bit last fall/winter. On ACA, you can non-rev and fly free on Altantic Coast Airlines, United Airlines, and Delta Airlines and it's commuter airlines. You can also fly at a discount with any other major (domestic and international) airline of some like $30-$100 per leg. But still I missed flying non-rev. Hopefully I can non-rev again next summer and non-rev with "green" pass (pilot's passes) in a couple years.  Smile

Kevin/DCA
 
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RE: Non-revving

Wed Jun 06, 2001 1:32 pm

No one flys for free on AA.The only way you can non rev on AA in (COACH)for free is if you are retired with either 20 or 25 years of service or if you are a current active employee with 5 years seniority.Management is confirmed A space travel.D2, D3 all pay something if they do not meet the above qualifications.Oh and you also can fly free on special passes such as perfect attendance and things of that nature.
 
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Doug

Wed Jun 06, 2001 1:58 pm

No dude...things have changed. D2s can fly anywhere in the contiguous U.S. with no charge (coach). The rule went into effect either this year or late last year.
 
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AA7771stClass

Wed Jun 06, 2001 2:30 pm

NO... Actually Doug is right. The only way you can no-rev on AA or AE is if your jumpseat qualified or as Doug had written earlier. Trust me I have D2 Charge up the a** this month and all I flew was back and fort to ORD a couple of times.

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Non Revving

Wed Jun 06, 2001 8:41 pm

AA7771stClass,trust me I work for AA and no D2 can travel free unless they meet the above qualifications as I stated.Would you like to see my paycheck I will be more than happy to show you the NRSA charges for D2 travel.
 
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RE: Non-revving

Wed Jun 06, 2001 10:31 pm

Hey JDerden777,

I am a domestic partner at Northwest, and I pay $10 each way domestically plus a small amount of tax, which ends up being usually less than $50 total anywhere. Everyone else (employees, spouses, children and parents) just pay the $10, that also includes Airlink jet service, but not prop service (I can't explain it either).

I think we also get the same thing on CO, but at a lower pass priority (9A I think).
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RE: Non-revving

Thu Jun 07, 2001 2:27 am

I don't know what the difference between yall and me are but I know that AA doesn't charge for economy class domestic travel on my mom's paycheck.
 
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RE: Non-revving

Thu Jun 07, 2001 2:46 am

AA7771stClass, how long hasyour mother worked for AA. I knowif you have worked for the airline for ummmmm I think 20 yearsyou don't pay. or else she has a ton of perfect attendance passes. That's the only way a current employee can non-rev for free.
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RE: Non-revving

Thu Jun 07, 2001 3:10 am

Doug is right. Below is the criteria for waiving the service charge in coach. Obviously, both Doug and Viflyer have less than 5 years and your mom has more.

I'd like to clarify one thing that Doug stated previously. When Doug stated "Management is confirmed A space travel."; I believe he was refering to the fact that management employees Level 7/8 and above travel on a confirmed "A" pass for both business and pleasure. The rest of us only travel on an "A" pass when we travel for buisness. For example, I am a Level 4 so I travel D2 for leisure and A11 for business. My boss is a Level 6 and he travels D2 for leisure and A10 for business and his boss is a Level 7/8 and travels as a confirmed A6 for both leisure and business. Additionally, only A1, A2, A4, A5, A6 and A7 travel confirmed for business travel. That means that they can not be removed for oversales although I can as I only travel for business on a A11 pass.

Here is the breakdown on service charge waived travel:

SERVICE CHARGE WAIVED COACH TRAVEL PROGRAMS

Twenty-Five Year Service Charge Waived Coach Travel

Employees and retirees with 25 years or more of actual company seniority fly service charge waived in coach systemwide.

Applicability

- Regular employees who have 25 years or more of company seniority

- Retirees who left AMR with 25 years or more of company seniority

- Spouse or company-recognized domestic partners of eligible employees*

- Your dependent children, your domestic partner’s dependent children*

- Registered companions (RC) of eligible employees**

- Flight attendants who left the Company under the provisions of Article 30 or Appendix T

*Note: Surviving spouses or surviving domestic partners are not eligible for this program.

Other Service Charges

There will be no service charge for travel in coach class system wide. You will be required to pay any applicable taxes and/or airport fees. If you travel in first or business class, you will pay only the difference between the class of service flown and coach class service charge, plus any applicable taxes and airport fees.


**Registered companion travel will be deducted from your 24 one-way pass bank. Imputed tax may apply for registered companion and domestic partner travel.

Five Year Service Charge Waived Coach Travel

Employees and retirees with 5 years or more, but less than 25 years of actual company seniority fly domestic service charge waived in coach.

Applicability

- Regular employees who have 5 years or more of company seniority

- Retirees who left AMR with 5 years or more of company seniority

- Spouse or company-recognized domestic partners of eligible employees*

- Your dependent children, your domestic partner’s dependent children*

- Registered companions (RC) of eligible employees**

- Flight attendants who left the Company under the provisions of Article 30 or Appendix T

*Note: Surviving spouses or surviving domestic partners are not eligible for this program.

Other Service Charges

There will be no service charge for travel in coach class when traveling to/from domestic destinations. Domestic travel is defined as within the U.S. including Hawaii and Alaska, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Canada and the Caribbean. You will be required to pay any applicable taxes and/or airport fees. If you travel in first or business class, you will pay full rates for the class of service flown plus any applicable taxes and airport fees.

 
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RE: Non-revving

Thu Jun 07, 2001 4:46 am

For the AirTran employee flying to CDG on Delta, just ask the agent, or once you get aboard, ask a flight attendant if there is any room in BusinessElite. Next time you fly Delta, try to get a pass from someone at Delta or ASA, if you don't know anybody there, start getting to know someone. On a Delta buddy pass, you pay a yield fare (certain cents per mile) and a round trip flight to Paris would run you around $200-225 including duties and taxes. And on top of that you can book yourselve in the BusinessElite cabin when you purchase the ticket.
 
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RE: Non-revving

Thu Jun 07, 2001 4:51 am

you can not repeat can not book yourself in business class or coach on a delta buddy pass they are standby only pass classification s-4. i'm retired delta just last week took the wife to italy into mxp out of vce was lucky got business class both ways i only have to pay intl taxes and customs fees
 
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RE: Non-revving

Thu Jun 07, 2001 4:55 am

Sorry, I used the wrong wording. I should have said list for the flight, not book the flight.
 
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RE: Non-revving

Thu Jun 07, 2001 5:21 am

Kudo's to those airlines that have arrived with the times and relaxed the rediculous dress codes that have plagued the poor non-revver. The whole concept was to look professional, all the while not calling attention to yourself... well, in 1950 maybe, in 2001, anyone dressed in their Sunday best on a saturday morning in the gate area SCRRRRREAMS nonrev.

Jeers to the few who are still clinging to the old ways and jeers to the employees who still use it as a way to punish nonrev travelers for the bad days that they have had. you know who you are  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Non-revving

Thu Jun 07, 2001 6:45 am

I heartily disagree with the above statement.
 
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RE: Non-revving

Thu Jun 07, 2001 8:10 am

Went and asked mom about the exact circumstances. She has worked at AA for close to 13 years. She said that it is just a new policy for those who have worked for more than 5 years to get free travel. I don't think this is case sensitive but nothing is deducted from her check.
 
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RE: Non-revving

Thu Jun 07, 2001 8:36 am

I non-rev on AA but I am a D3, so I have to pay. My grandma is a D2 but I am sure what the charge is for her.
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RE: Non-revving

Thu Jun 07, 2001 9:51 am

Wait a minute? If your father or mother is an airline pilot or a F/a for AA, their children, spouses, and parents cannot fly free on AA? Whoa, that totally sucks.

I think so. Maybe you guys are talking about something different then this. It's part of the benefits. Oh well.

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RE: Non-revving

Thu Jun 07, 2001 10:12 am

Gocaps - As has been said pretty clearly, AA does not offer free travel to anyone (employee, parents, spouses, dependants, etc.) unless the employee has been with the company for at least 5 years. Until an employee's 5th anniversary, they get only highly discounted tickets. By highly discounted, I believe that the domestic tickets cost approx $.005/mile, or about $15 for a SAN-JFK flight. First and Business Class travel is available at a similar discount.

After an employee has been with the company for 5 years, D2 coach travel in the "domestic" system, as defined above by CannedSpam, is also free of charge. First and Business Class travel, however, do not get any cheaper; nor does international travel.

After an employee's 25th anniversary, coach travel becomes free systemwide, and First and Business Class fares are discounted by the amount of money that new employees pay in coach.

As an example:

Domestic: For a domestic trip that costs about $10 for coach, and about $25 in First:
An employee with 0-5 years would pay: $10Y, $25F
An employee with 5-25 years would pay: $0Y, $25F
An employee with >25 years would pay: $0Y, $15F

International: European flights are approx. $75Y, $100J, $150F
An employee with 0-5 years would pay: $75Y, $100J, $150F
An employee with 5-25 years would pay: $75Y, $100J, $150F
An employee with >25 years would pay: $0Y, $25J, $75F

The same fares apply to all D-2 travellers, including spouses and dependants.
The fares provided are examples, and do not necessarily reflect actual D2 charges.
 
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RE: Non-revving

Fri Jun 08, 2001 12:24 am

I guess that's how i get to travel free on AA then...my dad's cousin is a 777 captain for AA and he's been with the company for a long time now..i forget but it's well over 5 years..possible 20+ years he's worked for AA...
i am a D3 and they never charged me anything for the seat on the CLT-DFW-CLT flights...

on another note, if i were to non-rev from CLT-ORD, spend the day at ORD, and then non-rev from ORD-DFW later that day where would my luggage go?? could i do this, leaving myself a long layover in ORD? DFW is my final destination from CLT, and i plan on returning to CLT the next week
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RE: Non-revving

Fri Jun 08, 2001 1:16 am

At US Airways there is a $55 annual fee for your Term Pass, which allows unlimited travel anywhere on the route system. For trips to Europe and Caribbean you must pay the taxes (anywhere from $15 to $40) but it's still a great deal.

Parents, Spouse, Domestic Partner, and/or Dependent Children can also be added to the Term Pass for an additional fee, however an employee will NEVER pay more than $185 per year for their term pass.

Employee and Spouse/DP receive their own travel card which is presented at check-in. Parents and dependents are treated as e-tickets and just have to show ID to get on the standby list.

For those that don't travel a lot, you can opt for "Service Charge" travel instead of a Term Pass. This is $20 round trip and is available to the same people as the Term Pass (e.g., employee, parents, spouse/DP, kids). However, taking more than 2 Service Charge trips makes the Term Pass a better deal.

Currently US gives 8 roundtrip companion passes (buddy passes) per calendar year, sold at 10% of the full Y fare. Sometimes a discounted advance purchase ticket is a better bargain than the buddy pass!

All term pass riders are classified as S-4 on the standby list, and companions are S-7 unless accompanying someone on the term pass (when they get to be S-4).

Upgrades to first are $15 (up to 999 miles) or $30 (over 1000 miles). International upgrades are $100 for Envoy and $150 for First, each way.

As far as the dress code is concerned, it has been relaxed over the past few years, however I never wear jeans or sneakers or other overly 'casual' clothing on a plane (even when I flew as a revenue customer). The nicer you look, the better your chances of being treated well by not only airline employees, but also hotels, car rentals, etc. Maybe it was the way I was raised, but for us travel was always a special event and my parents had us looking nice for the occasion. Even something simple - like khakis and a button-down shirt - are fine in my opinion.
 
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Jderden777

Fri Jun 08, 2001 3:46 am

Why would you not want to take a direct from Charlotte to DFW? It seems that this would be easier. From a non-rev standpoint, I would strongly recommend that you carry-on your bags. That is what we do every single time we fly because who knows where you or your bags will go!?!?
 
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RE: Non-revving

Fri Jun 08, 2001 4:01 am

Although your dad's cousin may not have charged you, rest assured that he himself is being charged for your use of a D3 pass. D3 passes are not free to any employee......

You could do CLT-ORD-DFW with a longer layover in ORD if you wanted to. As long as you set up your flight listing (meal listing, PNR) to reflect your exact itinerary, your bags should follow you. At least that is the way it SHOULD work. As there are 24 ORD-DFW flights a day, there is good precedence that your bags could arrive DFW earlier than you if someone puts it on the wrong ORD-DFW flight by mistake. My suggestion is to carry them with you and you should be OK unless you overpack like my wife does. I would also suggest that you avoid traveling D3 ORD-DFW on Sundays. I've gottnen stuck many times ot ORD on Sundays flying D2 right alongside with other D3 passengers. Good Luck!
 
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RE: Non-revving

Fri Jun 08, 2001 4:43 am

I would have a carry-on with my camera and everything, but i would also literally have to have a suitcase with my clothes and everything...

AA7771stClass:
I want to have a layover in ORD just because i don't really want to take a direct flight from CLT..we did that last year and it was fun, but we're trying to find the way that would give us a lot of flying time, plus we wanted to catch a 777...

we won't be flying on sundays...and how much would he be charged for these D3 passes? does the seating impact the cost? if i were to get into first class if there was no other seat, would it cost him more?

thanks
jonathan d.
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RE: Non-revving

Fri Jun 08, 2001 4:53 am

First Class or Coach cost the same when traveling D3...So be sure to list for First Class!

Approximate D3 charge CLT-ORD-DFW is about $97.00 per person. Please note this is does not cover your return trip back to CLT. If you plan to fly DFW-CLT non-stop, the charge is approximately $64.00.
 
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RE: Non-revving

Fri Jun 08, 2001 5:56 am

Cannedspam:
thanks a lot! where do you get this info!? i'll try and get first class on the 777 but i'm not sure that it's available still...thanks!

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Jderden777

Fri Jun 08, 2001 6:41 am

Tell me your date and time of travel and I'll have my mom look your flights up in Sabre.
 
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RE: Non-revving

Fri Jun 08, 2001 6:51 am

Jonathan,

I'm work for AA....That's where the information comes from.
 
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RE: Non-revving

Fri Jun 08, 2001 8:42 am

Just a thought : Are you sure that your airlines would appreciate that you post their nonrev regulations here in a public forum? At least in Europe the airlines are far more restrictive concerning the publication of any nonrev benefits, and there is normally also no such thing like free rides. In some countries like Germany you even have to pay taxes for the difference between a normal fare and the nonrev fare ("non-monetary benefit"), so that often you can get a better deal at a travel agent (with confirmed booking!) than using a nonrev discount...

Best regards,

Tom
 
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RE: Non-revving

Fri Jun 08, 2001 9:19 am

i'm planning on AA 2347 ORD-DFW
and on the way back 2248 i think DFW-ORD

june 15-21 or 22..not sure which one yet..

thanks
jonathan d.
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Jderden777

Fri Jun 08, 2001 11:04 am

I had my mom look up your flights. As of now, first class looks open on your trip down to Dallas but who knows how that will fill up over time and with D2s. Your trip back through Chicago doesn't look as promising. If you're really interested in first, I believe the 21st is more open...but again who knows!? Judging from the loads though, you should definitely get on as of now!
 
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RE: Non-revving

Fri Jun 08, 2001 11:11 am

i'll probly head back the 21st then...hmm..
thanks!

jonathan d.
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RE: Non-revving

Fri Jun 08, 2001 2:48 pm

Seems like United has the best Non-Rev policies...
 
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RE: Non-revving

Sat Jun 09, 2001 5:49 am

As for non-rev dress codes, I'm all for them. I've seen too many people on flights today dressed like they're going down to the supermarket, not to the airport. I know most people want to be comfortable when they fly, but when you're flying non-rev, you're in a way representing the company. At least most airlines don't require you to dress up like you're going to a fancy resturant. When I worked for AirTran the policy was business casual. When I worked for ASA, the Delta non-rev dress code depended upon which class you were sleeping in. Business casual was required for business class, but optional for coach. In coach, you could wear jeans with no holes or patches, but no shorts. Footwearwise, you could wear anything but workboots, flip-flops, sport sandals and worn-out tennis shoes. Considering that most of my wardrobe (with the exception of my work clothes) was business casual, I had no problems with the dress code. I see pictures of the way people dressed when they flew prior to the 1980s, I wish it was still that way. I always hated seeing some guy sitting up there in business class with me wearing jeans, a ratty old shirt and worn out shoes.

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