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Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sun Jun 10, 2001 2:22 am

hello.

i have heard that CX is trying to expand itself into more Asian destinations and also because Dragonair no longer belongs to them, they have to "fly" themselves.

CX now only have 19% stake in Dragonair, if memory serves. Dragonair is now requesting to fly the same routes as CX, like HKG-TPE. Unlike SQ and Silk, Silk flies to thinner routes with all-Airbus single-aisle fleet. They aren't competing each other becuase Silk is a 100% owned subsidiary of SQ Group.

So the bottom line is, do you see any narrowbody for CX? Say A320 family or B737NG family? or any CRJ, ERJ? I don't think their smallest a/c in fleet, A333 (300+ pax) can land in some small Asian airports.

I personally thinks that CX might, go for the A320 family for fleet commonality. or if CX insists on wide-body, any chance for the B762ER (190+ pax) or B763ER? (220+ pax) Finally, have CX ever bought second handed planes except the B777 prototype? If they are interested, they might wanna lease a number of rather-new A310-300s? They are quite a lot of A310s that are 5 yrs old. But i do no see this possible. Nothing is impossible. Time will prove everthing.

All opinions are welcome but above are just my thoughts, no offense meant so don't bash at me!

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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sun Jun 10, 2001 3:25 am

well..........it's possible......but dun't Dragonair and CX still have codeshare agreements?.......

If CX were to fly routes into mainland China themselves....I do see a possibilty that the A320 or the 737NG to fit in.......

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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sun Jun 10, 2001 4:37 am

CX holds 19% shares of Dragon Air. But CX don't code-share with KA.

Didn't CX hand-over its Mainland China flights to KA in the early 90s? But it's still a wide-body jet to fly to big cities.

And since Dragon Air will become the new competitor of CX, why don't CX to set up a regional airline (like Silk Air) to fly those smaller cities in Asia or tourist destination with Narrow-body jet?

To me, it seems like CX really likes their Airbus jets , as a result, I think CX might order 320 families if they're going for narrowbodies.

 
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sun Jun 10, 2001 4:54 am

I can't see CX ordering any A320 or 737NG. But CX might order 767-400 or more A330-200.

This is just my opinion.
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sun Jun 10, 2001 4:59 am

Hello,

JAL, not wanting to spoil your day or start an A vs B war, you can really forget about the B767-400 for CX. CX love and I mean  Love their A330s! The B767-400 would only provide a relatively small capacity reduction over the A330.

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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sun Jun 10, 2001 10:31 am

I echo Jeremiah and as mentioned before, some small Asian airfields can't accomodate huge A330-300, maybe A330-200 but still... When a A333 t/o on MTOW, on a short runway, say 6500 foot, possible? Bare in mind that lots of Asian destinations have high load factor, tourism etc...

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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sun Jun 10, 2001 10:40 am

Very unlikely. I have posted a similar topic before.

Many of CX routes require the capacity of the B 747-400. For example: HKG-TPE and many of their routes to Europe. And they find many of their bookings with overcapacity problems.

It is quite unlikely I would say.

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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sun Jun 10, 2001 11:09 am

If they do need to take over for Dragonair, I see the A320 family because of the commonality with the A330 and A340, which would reduce operating costs for CX. The 757 might also work.

Jef
 
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sun Jun 10, 2001 11:34 am

United Airline, I am trying to say here that CX might need smaller planes to fly thinner routes if Dragonair emerges as a competitor!

AGAIN, SOME SMALL ASIAN AIRFIELDS CAN ACCOMODATE NEITHER THE HUGE AIRBUS A330 NOR THE HEAVIER A340 OR BOEING 777. THEY NEED A 150-200 SEATER TO FLY ROUTES THAT AREN'T FULL AND A320 WILL DO JUST FINE TAKING OFF IN SMALL AIRPORTS AND FITTING ITSELF INTO THE CURRENT CX FLEET.

DeltAirlines, I agree with you but be aware that CX is obsessed with Airbus and the adding another 'bus into their fleet is ideal due to fleet commonality etc. I seriously do not think a B757 will happen. But who knows? they might even lease some A310-300s?
 
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sun Jun 10, 2001 5:32 pm

I was rather surprised by the news that CX got (nearly) out of Dragonair. Can someone elaborate on the reasons why? I mean, they operate from the same hub and are very compatible. I don't see but disadvantages in their splittin up. Tnx
 
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sun Jun 10, 2001 9:29 pm

Haven't CX got a learjet 45 or something?
I think I've seen a photo of it in some magazine.
 
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sun Jun 10, 2001 9:57 pm

Yes i think they have a few learjets down in Adelaide, Australia for training purposes - I could be wrong.
 
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sun Jun 10, 2001 11:09 pm

Hi Swake the reason of why CX got out of Draginair is simply 'politics'
 
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 4:47 pm

anymore thoughts?
 
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 6:21 pm

The Learjet 45 is for Training purposes only.

I don't believe Cathay will aquire any narrow bodies for the time being. That's just my opinion. Wasn't Dragonair set up so that they could fly into China, and more domestic route, also I thought that is was a "feeder" airline for Cathay Pacific. My opinion, correct me if I'm wrong. Just what I thought.

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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 6:28 pm

dear Trevor,

As mentioned above, Dragon no longer belongs to Cathay, somehow. But I think there is a possibility of CX doing such or even set up another "feeder" airline or a regional air, Cathay Pacific Regional???

and one more question, did CX sell its stake in Dragon or wat? if they did sell the share in Dragon, they do such in favour of wat?
 
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 7:00 pm

Hi airbus lover, CX did sell its stake in Dragonair(KA) before 1997. It is because the China side wanted to play a role in the HK aviation market. Before CX sold share of KA, the China side even registed a 737 in HK as they were going to set up a airline in Hong Kong to compete with CX and KA. Later on CX decided to sell KA to China side, so the China side can control the HK aviation market partly and CX can continue enjoy its status as the solo international airline in HK. So CX was actually selling KA to save themselves.

Now, the government is going to stop the "one route one airline" policy, if it really happens,CX will definitely fly to China. So it 's very likely that CX may need some narrowbody aircarft for the mainland market. And i think they are more likely to order Airbus, since HK is very experienced to maintaince A32X serious. Moreover, don't forget KA 's A320 was ordered by CX.
 
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 7:06 pm

Please remember that the A332 is a long haul aircraft, its not for fly routes like HKG - PEK !!

The A320 family would be great for CX as the already have the A333, A343 and the A346 coming. Pilots could fly all aircraft types.
 
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Wed Jun 13, 2001 8:23 pm

thanks for the info Cathay250.

Hkgspotter1, although the A332 is a long ranger, it can still fly HKG-PEK, why not? I agree that a A32X fits just nice, an A321-200 perhaps? I do not think A332 fits into some small Asian airports as mentioned.

As you may know, TG operates a fleet of around 30 Airbus A300-600R (range: 7700 km) and these planes with the capacity of A332 is the backbone of TG's regional service. TG also flies some A333 (bigger than A332) on BKK-HKT and MH does PEN-KUL and vice versa with A333 oftenly. no problem for big planes. A332 is a recommended replacement for current A300-600R by Airbus.
 
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sat Jun 16, 2001 7:01 am

Cathay250, tnx! Do I understand your point correctly in that it was a mere swap of interests, i.e. the 'China side' (I assume you mean Beijing directed political groups) gets control of the domestic market while CX is reassured the international traffic?
OK, but then again, why would CX fear competition from a new entry in HK's aviation market (as you mentioned 'the China side' already ordered a 737)? As you said in your first post, it was merely politics, then meaning that CX was under raw, naked political pressure to let Beijing gain influence in HK's aviation???
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RE: Narrowbody For CX? Never?

Sat Jun 16, 2001 12:06 pm

I think CX will consider narrow bodies as they have been allowed by China to operate to mailand cities like Dragon Air Smile
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