VirginA340
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Northwest And PAN Am Pacific Routes

Sun Jun 10, 2001 3:47 pm

I would like to know if the current Nothwest Pacific routes are bigger than PA's rotes back in 1985 or the current UAL routes(ex PA) Just curious. It looks like that both NWA and UAL are the top two with exception of UAL's route into Austrailia. Do any of you think NWA will fly into SYD or not?
"FUIMUS"
 
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RE: Northwest And PAN Am Pacific Routes

Sun Jun 10, 2001 3:58 pm

NWA may not re-enters the Oz markets. Because LAX-SYD is in intense competition (QF, NZ, UA all got daily 744 flights)

Also, NWA does not have a big hub in LAX. And if they want to do a Detroit-Sydney non-stop, I don't think there is a suitable aircraft.

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Can anyone give me the details about Pan Am's Pacific Route network in 1980s? (what cities do they serve and by what kind of aircraft?)
 
VirginA340
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RE: Northwest And PAN Am Pacific Routes

Sun Jun 10, 2001 10:15 pm

Jim; I know that the A330 cannot handle a DTW-SYD without making a couple stops and going there is not only intense competition but vey expensive. For instance a ticket in Y on UAL JFK-SYD via LAX is close to $2,000 on a given day. I think they're using the 747 transpacific but i think it makes stops in between. Jim most of PA pac routes were served by either 747-100 or 747SPs before selling the whole deal with SPs to UAL in 85. What UAL serves now in the Pacific is what PA served back in 85 giver or take a few destinations since then. Some could've been axed due to profitability/yields so now they are probably codesharing to a couple again due to profitablility/yeilds. Does anyone have more info they can share to answer my inquiry? Thanks in advance.
"FUIMUS"
 
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RE: Northwest And PAN Am Pacific Routes

Sun Jun 10, 2001 10:26 pm

i think UA have dropped Guam and Manila.
 
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RE: Northwest And PAN Am Pacific Routes

Sun Jun 10, 2001 10:30 pm

I also think that PA was using some/all of the L-1011-500s that they had in the Pacific division prior to sale to UAL. I remember seeing a hastily painted a/c at SFO shortly afterwards.
 
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RE: Northwest And PAN Am Pacific Routes

Mon Jun 11, 2001 12:42 am

NWA Pacific Routes from DTW:
DTW-Tokyo
DTW-Osaka
DTW-Nagoya
DTW-Beijing
DTW-Shanghai

Future routes may be:
DTW-Seoul
DTW-Teipei
DTW-Manilla
DTW-Hong Kong
DTW-Singapore???
 
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RE: Northwest And PAN Am Pacific Routes

Mon Jun 11, 2001 1:59 am

United bought the rights to 13 cities in the Pacific rim from Pan Am in 1985. These were: Auckland, Bangkok, Beijing, Hong Kong, Manila, Melbourne, Osaka, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore, Sydney, Taipei and Tokyo. I believe most routes were operated with 747s, but I'm not sure what the actual routes looked like.
 
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RE: Northwest And PAN Am Pacific Routes

Mon Jun 11, 2001 2:43 am

United's current routes in the Pacific isn't too different from what they had at the Pan American purchase. They dropped EWR-NRT, HNL-TPE, NRT-TPE, NRT-MNL, and KIX-HNL in later years. Those are all the ones I can think of. UA's KIX-GUM/SPN routes were later additions that were subsequently discontinued shortly after their start.
 
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RE: Northwest And PAN Am Pacific Routes

Mon Jun 11, 2001 7:14 am

AW heck make a MSP-SYD route!
 
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RE: Northwest And PAN Am Pacific Routes

Mon Jun 11, 2001 7:41 am

I heard NW's LAX-SYD flight was popular, it was always full, so I don't know why they stopped running it.
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RE: Northwest And PAN Am Pacific Routes

Mon Jun 11, 2001 7:53 am

I guess we'll never see a United B747 landing at Wake and Midway the way Pan Am did in the "olden days" of the 1970s. It must have been quite a sight to see an aircraft that large on islands that small. [Note: I'm not positive that PA served both islands with the B747, but I am positive that they served at least one of them (however briefly) but am not sure which one at this point.] During the B707 era, PA also served Papeete, Noumea, Denpasar, Jakarta, Pago Pago, and Nadi that I can think of.
 
VirginA340
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RE: Northwest And PAN Am Pacific Routes

Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:58 am

747buff I just heard that NWA dropped the LAX-SYD route due to on how expenisve it was. Even though their planes filled up the costs were sky roketing and if they raised their fares any higher then people would go to other airlines. Can anyone confirm?
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