TOMASKEMPNER
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Why Does UA Has Some Many 744´s?

Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:19 am

I want to know why does United has so many 747-400 on its fleet.

They have, according to UA´S website 44 747-400 and about 50 777-200.

I know they use a lot of 744 in their Asian routes and also in the Europeans, but don´t UA´s European network is covered mostly by 777-200 and 767 only cities like London and Frankfurt are op. with 747-400.

LAX NRT, LAX SYD, LAX AUC all 744
SFO-NRT, SFO-KIX, SFO-PVG, SFO-HKG, SFO-SEL, SFO-TPE, SFO-SYD, all in 744
ORD-HKG, ORD-NRT ? 744
JFK-HKG = 744

 
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RE: Why Does UA Has Some Many 744´s?

Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:08 am

to fly the routes more often and a less workload for the planes.
 
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RE: Why Does UA Has Some Many 744´s?

Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:19 am

I am not sure why so many, though I am sure well over 1/2 of them are leased from somewhere. It is amazing that no matter what route they put it on, it is usually close to full load. The 777 is a domestic inter-hub plane and is used in S. America, Hawaii, and ORD-PEK, JFK_NRT and SEA-NRT. You forgot LAX-HKG, ORD-LHR, ORD-FRA, IAD-LHR, LHR-DEL, DEL-HKG, IAD-LAX, and LAX-MEL will return. Also, there are 2 744s a day from each ORD and SFO to NRT. Hope this helps!
 
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RE: Why Does UA Has Some Many 744´s?

Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:45 am

Donc,

The information from travel agents is that UA 847/848 LAX-MEL will NOT return. It's not making money because they cannot get feed traffic as well as QF can.

Tomas,

Auckland, NZ is AKL, not AUC, and that service continues on to Melbourne (MEL), Australia. To provide daily service from LAX-SYD (14 hour flight) you need 2 B747-400's theoretically, same with SFO-SYD and LAX-AKL-MEL. There go 6 B747-400's. Same with the SFO-HKG route...the RTW needs 3 (?) B747-400's

That's 11 gone already...

They need them...and they won't leave yet.

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RE: Why Does UA Has Some Many 744´s?

Mon Jun 11, 2001 4:27 pm

According to both UNITED.COM and UA´s timetable

UA uses 747-400 on the following routes :

EUROPE :
ORD-LHR ORD-FRA
SFO-LHR IAD-LHR-DEL-HKG-LAX

ASIA :
From LAX :
LAX-NRT-SIN LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-IAD
LAX-SYD LAX-AKL-SYD

From SFO :
SFO-KIX SFO-SEL SFO NRT-HKG
SFO-TPE SFO-PVG SFO-NRT-PEK
SFO-SYD SFO-HKG-SIN

From ORD :
ORD-NRT-ICN ORD-NRT ORD-HKG

From JFK :
JFK-HKG

From HNL :
HNL-NRT

The remaing routes such as ORD-PEK, JFK-NRT, SEA-NRT-BKK, etc are op. with 777´s.

If UA use 2 744 for each route, that will make a total of
42 747-400, but of course they switch planes, and besides they still have 44 747-400

Why ?

 
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RE: Why Does UA Has Some Many 744´s?

Mon Jun 11, 2001 4:48 pm

Also...at any given time there is atleast 5 of the 747s out for maintence. A checks, B checks, C checks, D checks. Corrosian (sp?) checks, special projects, gear changes, engine changes and so on.

Simply put, they need their 747s. For their route network, having 44 747s is really a good number for United. That is just right.

I L U V 7 6 7
 
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RE: Why Does UA Has Some Many 744´s?

Mon Jun 11, 2001 4:48 pm

United scheduled services to Asia, Australia and New Zealand from SFO and LAX are all 747-400 flights.

ORD-NRT, ORD-HKG flights are 744, but the new ORD-PEK is 777.

JFK-NRT was 744 but they are using the aircraft on the JFK-HKG, and JFK-NRT is now a 777

HNL-NRT is 744
SEA-NRT-BKK is 777

United use about 6 777´s on its Asian network, while its European network is mostly covered with 777 and only few with 763 and 744.

Mexican and Central American destinations are 320 or 737, 757 at the most.

South American destinations are 763 or 777 in the case of Brazil and EZE-MIA.

But more than 40 747´s for UA is still too much, SQ has about 50 744 and they use them to cover they extensive worldwide network,



 
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RE: Why Does UA Has Some Many 744´s?

Mon Jun 11, 2001 4:52 pm

What happens if one has to be taken out of service or there's a mechanical?

Give the revenue to rival carriers?

Didn't you hear me the first time?

It's LAX-AKL-MEL

MEL not SYD

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RE: Why Does UA Has Some Many 744´s?

Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:16 pm

SQ has 45 744s and it isn't even half as large as UA
 
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RE: Why Does UA Has Some Many 744´s?

Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:40 pm

I don't mean to sound flippant, but I think UA knows what it is doing in regards to the number of 744's in their fleet. Running an airline is a very complex business and unless you have access to their books, it's hard to judge whether they have too many of a certain type of aircraft. Sure, UAL lost a lot of $$$ last year (mostly due to the pilots work action), but before that, they were profitable. If some of their 744's were wasting money, they would sell or lease them out.
 
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RE: Why Does UA Has Some Many 744´s?

Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:47 pm

44 is not a large number. British Airways as well as SIA are smaller than UAL but they have 53 and 45 B 744s respectively.

UAL needs them. They will not be replaced anytime soon. Do expect an order for more B 744s, or even the B 744ER.

Regards.
 
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RE: Why Does UA Has Some Many 744´s?

Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:08 pm

I'm sure UA is putting three 744s on HKG-JFK, as CO has 3 777s on EWR-HKG, which is only two miles less.

They probably triple up on other long range routes too.

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RE: Why Does UA Has Some Many 744´s?

Mon Jun 11, 2001 11:41 pm

Once again ILUV767 contradicts himself. That boy is so confused....

Today he writes :

Simply put, they need their 747s. For their route network, having 44 747s is really a good number for United. That is just right.

Last week he wrote :

You can keep thinking all that you want about the 747. In reality, it's days are over at most carriers. Sorry to burst your bubble. I also know that UAL is planning on getting rid of about 1/2 of the 744 fleet.

So which one is it David? Or did Jimmy Goodwin change his long term strategic plan after consulting with BASA?

We are all anxious to know....
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