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Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:48 am

I saw a documentry film about a year ago that showed an Eastern 747 landing in San Juan. I didn't think Eastern ever had any 747s. Then again, I don't think a low budget documentry would stage something like that.
 
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RE: Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:53 am

Yep. Eastern, at one time, had four 747-125s. Regards.
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RE: Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:56 am

Thanks,
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RE: Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 10:03 am

Eastern had 3 747-121s leased from Pan Am. The 4 125s were completed as -131s, delivered to Eastern who immediately turned them over to TWA. They also had lease options on several -238s from QANTAS that were never delivered, although at least one was painted in EA colors at SYD.
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RE: Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 10:26 am

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RE: Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 10:42 am

So what routes did Eastern use the 747s on?
 
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RE: Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 10:43 am

I had a friend back in the day who was a 727 pilot for Eastern, and we have had a bunch of conversations about this subject; this is the Reader's Digest form of the complicated arrangement.

- Eastern ordered 4 747s which would be delivered to TWA, configured in the TWA layout, and maintained by TWA, but operated by Eastern. However, there was a clause that the aircraft could be refused by Eastern, at which point the airplane would go into TWA service.

-After some further thinking, Eastern refused the 747s, and TWA took delivery. These were leased out to Pan Am.

- Shortly thereafter, National (one of Eastern's biggest competitors on the NE-Florida sector) announced they would acquire two 747s. To keep up with the competition, Eastern made an "in-your-face" move and inked a lease for two year-round and a third for the busy winter travel season from Pan Am.

-The two 747s arrived in time for the winter with the third on its way a few months later. Almost immediately, they ran into trouble with the frequent cycles for which the 747 was not designed for
(and especially not the -100). After a few months, they were all returned and Eastern decided to sit tight and wait for their L-1011s to be delivered.
 
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RE: Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 10:45 am

The 747s flew to MIA, SJU, and TPA occasionally from BOS and JFK. Please correct me if I am wrong or have forgotten anything.
 
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RE: Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 10:50 am

The TWA 747 that went down off of Long Island with 230 pax and crew was one of those ex EAL 747s. EAL felt that the plane was way too big for it's ops to South America so instead they went with the L-1011s and A300s later on. They needed something that was about half the size and the airline made a good choice by having maore flights in smaller ac than few on larger ones and it saved them $$$ in terms of maintinance, hanger space, fuel costs, etc. The current hangers at EAL could not fit a 747 from what I heard but they were able to fit A300s and L-1011s. Everything went along like clockwork until Frank Lorenzo cam along and messed everything up.
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RE: Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 10:54 am

The routes that EA flew the leased PA 747s on were, ORD-MIA, JFK-MIA, JFK-SJU, and MIA-SJU. Thats according to a 1971 timetable.
 
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RE: Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 10:56 am

Woah,

An EAL 747 at TPA?!
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RE: Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 10:59 am

I do have a picture of an Eastern 747 at the gate in Tampa, probably on a promotional flight of some sort. Same thing with Boston, but I could have sworn there was a BOS-MIA rotation with the 747 at some point in its very short career with Eastern.
 
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RE: Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 11:02 am

Sorry GK there were only two EA timetables that showed 747 schedules and the routing was always the same.
 
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Just Somewhat Off Topic

Tue Jun 12, 2001 11:15 am

Back in the early days of the widebody aircraft they would be seen on the most unusual routes.

AA used to fly 5 DC-10s a day into Tucson. This is when TUS had a total of 54 flights a day. Now it is 2001 and TUS has........54 flights a day. Now almost all DC-9s and 737s. One of the routes was TUS-PSP!???

Also Continental has a DC-10 that ran LAX-ELP-SAT-IAH-MIA for a while. I took the ELP-SAT segment a few times. Never saw more than about 50 people on it.

The airlines at the time had few markets big enough for these monsters so they flew them everywhere. Those were the days.

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RE: Eastern 747?

Tue Jun 12, 2001 11:26 am

Oh well.
 
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RE: Just Somewhat Off Topic

Tue Jun 12, 2001 11:31 am

Boy did you just stir up some memories Miss PI. When I first hired on with CO I flew that route. It was the all nighter into IAH. Your right! It was always light. Yep, those were the good old days.