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Airlines Flying Between AUS & USA

Fri Jun 15, 2001 10:48 am

Is it just me or doean anyone else think that more airlines such as Continental, American, Delta, Northwest & Ansett should fly between Australia & the USA?

Does anyone know if there is enough traffic between the 2 countries for additional airlines to commence services?

Also, Wings & Skyteam have no partners flying across the pacific which means they could be losing substantial revenue to other carriers.
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RE: Airlines Flying Between AUS & USA

Fri Jun 15, 2001 2:40 pm

Both have Pacific carriers. SkyTeam has Korean Air and Wings has Malaysia.

In regards to the main topic, three carriers currently between the United States and Oz. QF and UA fly 744s to the mainland (LAX and SFO) QF has 767s to HNL, and CO has 738s to CNS from GUM. Ansett is supposed to start SYD-LAX service soon though.

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RE: Airlines Flying Between AUS & USA

Fri Jun 15, 2001 9:12 pm

You forgot NZ daily SYD-LAX with 744's.

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RE: Airlines Flying Between AUS & USA

Sat Jun 16, 2001 12:59 am

Last time I looked, Wings, via NW had a *very* substantial trans-pac service, mainly through Narita. You can use QF UA NZ AN FJ AA AC PH TN from North America to the South Pac - albeit mostly with coded flights. DL CO and the others would need 744 equipment to compete effectively against QF and UA - the economics just aren't there for a sub-fleet to be introduced for just one routing though. Would be sheer folly to run anything else. Cheers. Al.
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RE: Airlines Flying Between AUS & USA

Sat Jun 16, 2001 5:03 am


When I said the pacific I meant Australia & the USA. The only carriers that fly these routes are QF, NZ & UA.

Wings & Skyteam have not partners which fly between Australia & the US.
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RE: Airlines Flying Between AUS & USA

Sat Jun 16, 2001 4:27 pm

CO used to operate a mix of DC10/747 aircraft into Australia. Routings often changed, but usually SYD-HNL-SFO DC10, MEL-AKL-HNL-LAX 747. Then there was SYD-BNE-GUM DC10, then SYD-GUM DC10 (both services died quickly). The current twice weekly CNS-GUM 738 flight merely carries Japanese pax beyond GUM. When transpacific services ended, CO management publically admitted the only way to make money on AUS-USA was daily nonstop LAX/SFO services with high revenue business class passengers on 747-400's which they didn't have. Couldn't compete operating via HNL.

NW served AUS for about 3 years after buying the route from HA. "Interesting schedule":
SYD-LAX 747-400 3 times/week. Insufficient number of aircraft to operate daily.
SYD-HNL-LAX DC10 3 times/week
SYD-HNL-LAX 747-200 once/week
SYD-Osaka-JFK. Later switched to DTW. 747-100 3 times/week. Aircraft actually sat on the ground for 2 days in SYD before returning. Flight ran into political problems concerning carrying Japanese pax to SYD and the route was discontinued.

HA: 1 flight/week SYD-Pago Pago-HNL. DC8. Didn't take the route seriously.

AA: 3 or 4 flights/week SYD-HNL-DFW. DC10. Service lasted about 2 years. Uneconomical.

Considering the Australian dollar at present, there is no way any US carrier will add any services down under. When Continental pulled out, there was wide speculation that Delta would take over the SYD-HNL-USA route to which DL responded, "why would we fly a route that loses $1 million per month?"

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