jonathanlo
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CX Toronto-Hong Kong Why Still Not Direct Flight?

Sun Jun 17, 2001 6:45 am

Why CX still need to stop in Anchorage on the Hong Kong-Toronto route???
like UA JFK-HKG and CO EWR-HKG they can go direct non-stop to Hong Kong???
 
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RE: CX Toronto-Hong Kong Why Still Not Direct Flight?

Sun Jun 17, 2001 7:18 am

This particular flight carries A LOT of cargo, along with passengers, so its not possible to fly it non-stop with the current A343.

During the winter, CX operates this flight as a non-stop flight HKG-YYZ. The flying time is arond 15 hours 05 minutes. But, the west bound flight(YYZ-ANC-HKG) still has a stop in ANC. The stop in ANC is a technical stop only.

I would prefer to have a stop rather than a non-stop on this route. The flying time will be too long(west bound), especially in the winter time.

I believe this topic has already been discussed over and over again.
 
jonathanlo
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RE: CX Toronto-Hong Kong Why Still Not Direct Flight?

Sun Jun 17, 2001 7:56 pm

how about a B747-400 or B777-200ER???
 
slawko
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RE: CX Toronto-Hong Kong Why Still Not Direct Flight?

Sun Jun 17, 2001 8:49 pm

This route YYZ-HKG was the first ever Polar route of any airline. CX did a trial run for a few days with the 340 over the pole. The major problems where the long flying time, and the as yet not up to par Russian ATC service. CX will probably re-introduce the polar route from YYZ with the newer A340's. Cargo will be reduced because CX is supposed to be returning with CX Cargo 747 service this year, and that should make the polar route more profitable in terms of fuel burn / weight restrictions.
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
 
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RE: CX Toronto-Hong Kong Why Still Not Direct Flight?

Sun Jun 17, 2001 8:54 pm

I don't think so.

CX uses B777 for short-mid range flights. B744 and A343 are the only aircraft flown to North America.

CX is using a re-configured A343 on the JFK-HKG non-stop flight, so it looks like they don't plan to use the B744 for that route. UA is even dropping 744 service on their non-stop JFK-HKG(after oct 31), and using a B777 instead.

 
jonathanlo
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RE: CX Toronto-Hong Kong Why Still Not Direct Flight?

Mon Jun 18, 2001 1:34 am

isn't it the JFK-HKG was the first ever Polar route???
CX did a trial on the first day when the Hong Kong new international airport open...
I remember it is in July 1998
 
jonathanlo
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KE Toronto-Seoul?

Mon Jun 18, 2001 3:05 am

then why Korean Air need to stop in Anchorage
(YYZ-ICN)
they use 747-400...
 
dutchjet
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RE: CX Toronto-Hong Kong Why Still Not Direct Flight?

Mon Jun 18, 2001 3:15 am

The CX nonstop service between JFK and HKG is operated by a special A343, with reduced seating capacity and probably some limitations on cargo payload; CX is doing this in order to compete with UA and CO, with their nonstop flights, as they do not want to loose market share, especially with full fare and premium pax who choose nonstop flights whenever possible (business people especially want to get to their destinations and return as quickly as possible, time is money!)

The YYZ service, with a "standard" A343, and lots of cargo, has a little problem with the range, especially during certain seasons due to winds, etc. That is why the stop is scheduled. When CX gets longer range variants of the A340, look for the stop to be eliminated as they would also prefer to offer nonstop service between the cities - YYZ/HKG is an important market for business travellers as well.

As stated above, CX owns the "shorter-range" variants of the 777 and uses them primarily on regional flights where lots of capacity is needed.
 
slawko
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RE: CX Toronto-Hong Kong Why Still Not Direct Flight?

Mon Jun 18, 2001 3:25 am

Jonathanlo, You are right the YYZ-HKG flight was the first polar Airbus flight, and the first polar flight from Canada. Korean has to stop in one direction, but eastbound I think it is non-stop. At least when I flew on KAL YYZ-KIX-YYZ with the 777, We stopped in ANC going West but it was non stop going East, and that probably also has something to do with winds and cargo/weight restrictions.
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
 
jonathanlo
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KE Toronto-Seoul?

Tue Jun 19, 2001 6:53 am

Do they use 777-200ER of 777-200 or 777-300??? for Toronto-Seoul...
I thought they use 747-400 do they???

But 777 have the range to fly directly from Toronto to Seoul why they need to stop in ANC???

Is it because of the Cargo...
Since ANC is a big hub for Cargo...

Do anybody know why???
 
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RE: KE Toronto-Seoul?

Tue Jun 19, 2001 7:56 am

Korean Air's Toronto flight now uses B747-400 for Seoul (Incheon)-Anchorage-Toronto v.v.

They used to have east-bound Toronto flight non-stop, while west-bound stops at Anchorage.

Also, I think one of KE's New York (or Newark) flight operates via Anchorage.
 
Red Panda
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RE: KE Toronto-Seoul?

Tue Jun 19, 2001 9:00 am

As someone said in the above, CX was the first to use Airbus (A343) to fly over the pole.

Regarding the stop at ANC, CX need to stop there bcuz the crews would get off at ANC, and replace by other crews.

Also, have to stop at ANC for refueling due to the load.

hope this help
r panda
 
chrisj
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RE: KE Toronto-Seoul?

Sat Jun 30, 2001 1:57 pm

they pick up passengers from here.
since there are a lot of asians up here.
 
Red Panda
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RE: KE Toronto-Seoul?

Sat Jun 30, 2001 2:21 pm

Chrisj: ???

CX828/829 don't pick pax at ANC. CX has no right to do that and all pax have to go back to the acft to continue their trip after refueling.

Where were you told that CX picked up pax there at ANC?

r panda
 
chrisj
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RE: KE Toronto-Seoul?

Sat Jun 30, 2001 8:26 pm

sorry,
it was korean airlines i was referring to.

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