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All Airbus/Boeing Fleet ... Advantage?

Mon Jun 18, 2001 12:14 am

Good day everyone.

I was curious on your thoughts on this. Besides the obvious advantage of commonality, do you think there are other advantages to an all Airbus/Boeing fleet?

Another thing I am curious of is why some airlines have two similar aircraft in thier fleet. I wonder about this sometimes when I look at United's fleet. I don't understand why they have two aircraft with the exact same seating capacity. (A319 & 733)

What are your thoughts?
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RE: All Airbus/Boeing Fleet ... Advantage?

Mon Jun 18, 2001 2:20 am

In the case of advantages of having a single companies product, the financial ones are that I would assume there would be some sort of a discount for exclusivity from the airline. While I havent seen it in print, I would be very surprised if airbus, or boeing doesnt make it worth an airlines while to use only their product. This is pretty standard in all business, so I would be surprised if it didnt happen here.

You mentioned commonality, this is a major factor. In the case of Continental for example. They want to get the fleet down to 5 types of aircraft. This reduces costs for training, for parts, for mechanics, for just about everything really. If they only have Boeing 737, 757, 767, 777 and MD80 which I think will follow the DC-10'S out the door in the next few years

As far as a company like United using both the A319 and the 737 and the reasons for it, some factors could be

Mergers, United is a product of various mergers, and it could be that along the way they aquired either as assets. I could also be just using all thats available to them. Without getting into a who's better, Airbus and Boeing have better planes than each other for different reasons

Just my guesses

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RE: All Airbus/Boeing Fleet ... Advantage?

Mon Jun 18, 2001 4:03 am

United's 733's are not that old. They only recently ordered the A319. The 733's will be around for a while.

RE: All Airbus/Boeing Fleet ... Advantage?

Mon Jun 18, 2001 4:11 am

The 733 should be compared to the A320, not A319 I think. UAL will eventually get rid of all 737s and 727s and replace them with A320 aircraft.

This will be UAL's most likely future fleet:

767-400 (possibility)
777-200 (ER)


RE: All Airbus/Boeing Fleet ... Advantage?

Mon Jun 18, 2001 6:11 am

I was once told by a guy who worked at UA planning that one of the advantages United sees in having mixed A320/737 fleet is that the airline is not dependent on a single supplier for its narrowbody needs. Perhaps there are many others as well. Rumour has it that the only reason why UA went with A320 is to get rights to CDG. Who knows!

I had the same question about Cathay's 747/777 and 330/340 mix -- not sure what CX's answer to that one would be though.

But its a pretty common knowledge in the airline business that the fewer a/c types in your fleet, the less your expenses are. For airlines such as Air Canada, who have all airbus narrowbody fleet, huge advantages come into play when it comes to maintenance personnel and crew training (pilots can have A318/319/320/321 flying all in one block month), number of crews required to meet the schedule commitment, spare parts (all of these a/c types use virtually the same spare parts), engines, and so forth. Also, I am sure manufacturers are often more than willing to give airlines deep discounts if there was a huge order in sight.

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