Triple Seven
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After WINGS...NW Still Dropping Kul?

Mon Jun 18, 2001 9:34 pm

I was in Malaysia just a few weeks ago and a small article on NST (News Straits Times) stated that NW will drop KUL in September of this year BUT vowed that they will return when things gets better. Now, with MAS going to WINGS, how will NW react to their move ??? Will they reinstate the route ??? or will they actually shift all SE Asia operations to KUL and make it a regional hub ??? Any suggestions ?

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RE: After WINGS...NW Still Dropping Kul?

Mon Jun 18, 2001 10:38 pm

I think the proposed codeshare and frequent flyer benefits will still go through. NW is to codeshare on MAS flights from NGO, KIX and NRT to KUL and beyond, and MAS will codeshare on NW flights within N. America. I'm not sure if the Trans-Pacific flights will be included in the codeshare, though.
 
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RE: After WINGS...NW Still Dropping Kul?

Mon Jun 18, 2001 11:47 pm

There's little reason for NW to fly to KUL. They've been making losses on the KUL route - not a sizable market - which they're suspending for the second time in September this year (the first was back in 1985).

It makes sense for NW to codeshare with MH on the KUL-Japan routes and possibly on some transpacific services.

I don't think MAS's impending entry into the still non-existent "Wings" alliance will change NW's decision - KUL is more 'end-of-the-line' rather than "hub" for NW servicing from the US. They will not replace SIN and BKK - sizable markets in themselves - with an indirect service via KUL. They may choose to serve smaller markets (eg Brunei) thru KUL but this can be adequately done via an MH codeshare. Vietnam and Indonesia will eventually support good traffic, and both will be better served via NW's Narita hub. I see there being little role for KUL in NW's Asian network.

I recall when Lan Chile was admitted to oneworld, BA immediately pulled out of Santiago in favour of a codeshare - I think that's exactly what's going to happen to NW and KUL.

Now, I wonder if MH will suspend its own flights to LAX!?
 
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RE: After WINGS...NW Still Dropping Kul?

Tue Jun 19, 2001 1:12 am

I recall there was a proposal by NW to re-route all flights to KUL via Narita instead of KIX and NW was going to form a mini hub in KUL and either withdraw or reduce its flights to SIN. Can't remember where I read this from.
 
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RE: After WINGS...NW Still Dropping Kul?

Tue Jun 19, 2001 3:15 am

Northwest still seems to 'appear' to be operating with KLM on KL805/806 between AMS and KUL according to KLIA's 'live online' timetable. KL805/806 also operates with MH flight numbers and NW8373/8374 tagged on. This doesn't seem to tie up with NWA's own timetable.

Perhaps the plan would be to feed NW's transatlantic from/to the US East Coast on to KL805/806 and MH16/17 at AMS and use MAS flights within Asia to feed on to NW's transpacific network at NRT, NGO and KIX. Maybe they may add TPE and HKG as further transfer points.

Seems quite logical to me...

Apart from that - West Coast USA may also benefit from MAS' onward connections to the Indian subcontinent...and if 'Wings' does become a reality (as KLM's chairman put it) then Jet Airways would be an important player too.
 
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RE: After WINGS...NW Still Dropping Kul?

Tue Jun 19, 2001 2:34 pm

I just signed up with NWs World Perks to take advantage of my flights with MAS.I dont want to join Enrich because I am not paying $20 for that kind of service.

Anyway I noticed that Jet Airways is also a world perks partner.This could mean that they could also be drawn into the 'Wings' alliance.With Jet Airways and MAS providing connecting flights for NW from the US,then there will be alot of IT experts who might bypass SIN and SIA to take MAS.

MAS serves the big 3 in the Indian IT triangle,thats Madras,Hyderabad and Banglore.For the record SIA only fly to Madras and in addition 'wings' also could have a big domestic operator,while our friends across the causeway dont have any.

Also is it true that MAS have code-shared with Uzbekistan Airlines on the KLIA-Tashkent route with an A310?Saw on of those in KLIA.Its in the route map of june inflight mag.
 
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G-KIRAN

Tue Jun 19, 2001 2:53 pm

I can confirm that Uzbekistan Airlines flies to KUL. I was in KUL not long ago (a few weeks ago). It was a Wednesday night at around 10-11pm when there was a departure for Uzbekistan Airlines.

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RE: After WINGS...NW Still Dropping Kul?

Tue Jun 19, 2001 10:25 pm

Just read that KIX is so expensive that NW has yet to report a profit at that airport. I wonder if NW will, in fact, transfer intra-Asia flying out of KIX and back to NRT when that 2nd runway opens. KIX is a big money maker for O & D traffic, but as far as connections go, I think it's a money pit.
 
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RE: After WINGS...NW Still Dropping Kul?

Wed Jun 20, 2001 5:34 am

The plan is to use NRT as a hub but due to traffic constraints foreign airlines get a rather low priority with slot times. I'm sure KLM, NWA and MAS would LOVE to use NRT as its Transpacific hub!

MAs does indeed code-share with Uzbekistan and is the only Southeast Asian carrier to offer 'flights' to Central Asia. Air Asia had planned to start services to Tashkent and Almaty - but since 1997 - plans had been scaled down to launch flights to Bangkok and Phuket from KUL this year.