BLACK BOX
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Boeing 737-1000 Series

Thu Jun 21, 2001 4:23 pm

Replying to another thread got me thinking about the B737-1000. All the 737 models have three letter codes 737 733 734 735 736 73G 738 739, so what happens with the next model, will they it be coded as a 730 ???

And what happens, if the 737 has yet more derivatives in the far off, like B737-1100, B737-1200 etc, what will we code these - with letters (like some of the 747 models 74M, 74E etc), or will we call the next series of 737s - 787s ???

Any comments ???
 
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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Thu Jun 21, 2001 4:32 pm

I had a meeting with a Boeing rep just recently and we discussed just this subject.
He doubts very much that the present 737 fuselage can be extended much more - 737-900 will be most probably the end with the extension. So the 737-1000 is not very likely to come . . . but you never know...
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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Thu Jun 21, 2001 4:41 pm

HLF-MD11 - point taken regarding the "stretch", BUT the 736 and 73G are really new versions of the 737-300 and 737-100. What I'm saying is for example, what if the -1100 and -1200 are going to be updated versions of the 737-400 and 737-500.

I have no doubt we will see further versions of the 737 but none as long as the -900.

And while we are on the subject of 737s, why is the -600 such a slow seller ???

 
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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Thu Jun 21, 2001 4:42 pm

From what I've heard, the -900 is the last derivative. While the 737 is a fine jet which has served Boeing and the airlines who have used it very well, it's still a basic design that came out in 1966, and I think that they've done all they can with it. Boeing is expected to announce an all-new plane in this category in the next few years.

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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Thu Jun 21, 2001 4:51 pm

Cfalk - If I was the CEO of Boeing, hell after selling well over 3,000 of the buggers I'd want to keep the tooling on the line as it is, If a customer came to me wanting to replace his 737-400s, I'd want to offer him a newer version of that model rather than tool up for an unknown.

The numbers speak for themselves - the 737 is the most popular aircraft in the market, why change it - just keep on improving the little bugger.
 
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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Thu Jun 21, 2001 8:42 pm

What you guys don't seem to know is that

The 737-500 is the 737-600NG

The 737-300 is the 737-700NG

The 737-400 is the 737-800NG

And the 737-900 is a all new model of the 737
 
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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Thu Jun 21, 2001 10:10 pm

Actually, I read in Aviation Daily yesterday that there are studies inderway on the 737-900X. European charter companies are said to be "very interested" in this aircraft. I don't understand it though, if Boeing stretches the fuselage anymore, there are getting into 757 territory. Why don't these charter companies look at the 757? Go figure.
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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Thu Jun 21, 2001 10:12 pm

Oops, neglected to mention that the 900X would be further stretch of the 900, seating about 200.

Regards.
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BLACK BOX
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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Thu Jun 21, 2001 10:49 pm

The 757 is a VERY expensive aeroplane compared to the cost of any further stretched 737.
 
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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:04 pm

To seat more passengers on the 737, you are going to need a longer fuselage, which means a taller landing gear to reduce the risk of tailstrikes, more powerful engines, a larger wing area with bigger fuel tanks to maintain transcontinental range, more emergency exits to allow for increased passenger seating (the -800 and -900 are both certified for a maximum of 189 passengers, despite the fact that the -900 is longer), and possibly different aerodynamics to account for all the stretches and modifications made, which will result in the FAA probably demanding a complete test program for the aircraft. And all that aside, wouldn't it be one hell of an ugly plane?

If there ever is a 737-1000, which I doubt, it will only be improved (not stretched) versions of the NG fleet.
 
akelley728
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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:39 pm

Wrong - The '900x' would have an additional fuselage door (emergency exit) on each side ala the A321. The 900x would have the same length as the -900.

The current 737-900 COULD hold over 200 passengers, but currently the four fuselage doors on the 737-900 dictate a maximum passenger load of 189 passengers due to emergency evacuation requirements.

Having those extra doors would allow the 737-900x to carry over 200 passengers. This is why the A321 is quite popular with European charter outfits.
 
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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Fri Jun 22, 2001 12:09 am

I think that keeping the 737 going would be the same as keeping the 727 going. The 787 or 797 would probably be a replacement for the 737 if they ever came out.
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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Fri Jun 22, 2001 1:34 am

Any further stretch of the 737 would make it a 757...the 737-900 is 146 ft. long I think, and the 752 is 155 ft. long...only 9 ft difference...

I could see the 737-1000, should it exist, being ultra small, almost an RJ, smaller than a 732 or 733...to compete with the A318...just speculation

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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Fri Jun 22, 2001 1:41 am

AKelley728, my apologies, I am aware of that, and I guess the context of my post hints that I was not. What I was trying to put across is that to stretch the 737, you'd need a large number of modifications and such to make it certifiable. And the 737 is all about commonality, and if there were so many more additions to the 737, a parts store for the -900X would be like adding a new type to the fleet, with the need for spare engines, landing gear, emergency exits, tailskids, etc., that would not be common with the standard 737NG.
 
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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Fri Jun 22, 2001 8:35 am

AKelley728,

You are correct. I read the article wrong. It indeed would NOT be a stretch, but an strengthening of the existing -900 fuselage, wing and landing gear. Then airlines would not be limited to 189 passengers which both the -800 & -900 are restricted to.

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tupolev154b2
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RE: Boeing 737-1000 Series

Fri Jun 22, 2001 8:39 am

Actually, the 735 was originally the 737-1000. Strange, huh? since it is in the same class as 733 and 734 that came before it.

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