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How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Thu Jun 28, 2001 7:33 pm

I was wondering. I visited LAX last year, and flew in with a KLM B747-3 (PH-BUK) from Schiphol Amsterdam. It was an 11hrs flight. WE (the pax) could sleep if we would, but how do the pilots fight their sleep? (Maybe taking a cigarette  Big grin (see other forumpost)) Or is there another crew, who take the controls after let's say 5 hours?
Or is it just 1 crew who flies the whole 11 hours?

Gr.
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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Thu Jun 28, 2001 7:41 pm


Nope on longhaul flights there are more crewmembers aboard so that they can share flying time.
Those not flying can stretch out or get some sleep.
On my longest flight (14h) there were 5 pilots aboard.

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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Thu Jun 28, 2001 7:56 pm

I have a Worldairroutes-video, featuring a flight from BRU to LAX, with a Citybird 767-300ER.

The video shows that it's always the same 2 pilots that are flying the aircraft. There was no extra pilot on board.

I think that a extra crew is only needed when the flights are really long, like 13-14 hours or so.

Or does this all depend on the airline's policy?

Could anybody confirm this, or comment?

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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Thu Jun 28, 2001 9:51 pm

It depends on the airline.
Some airlines use enlarged crews for all flights longer than ~10 hrs.
That means that there are three pilots on board, 1 captain, 1 senior first officer and one first officer, or 2 captains and 1 FO. The relief pilot has a crew rest compartement behin the cockpit.
That airlines also have an enlarged cabin crew, with crew rest compartements under the floor.
I know that for example Austrian is an airline that has enlarged crews on their long haul flights (e.g. to japan, south africa), as well as Lufthansa and a lot of other airlines.
But there are airlines, that NEVER use enlarged crews, regardless the lenght of the flight.
Mainly charter airlines have this poilicy. There are airlines arround where pilots have a maximum allowed flying time of 18hrs (!) in a 2 Man Cockpit. They really need a lot of coffee.....But the passengers don´t realize that, and no newspaper write about it, so the management dosn´t care about it. These airlines get prizes for their tasty food and their great service - that the pilots are tired and exhausted is of no interest for most of the people.
 
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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Thu Jun 28, 2001 11:16 pm

For a flight over 7 hours in the a340-300 you have to have more than two pilots for Olympic...In the 747-200 I remember seeing 4-5 pilots for a 11 hour flight and for the flight ATH-BKK then to Sydney long flight!.

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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Thu Jun 28, 2001 11:53 pm

The FAA mandates 1 relief pilot for flights between 8-12 hours, and requires 2 relief pilots for flights over 12+ hours. The FAA also require horizontal beds for flights over 12+ hours but nothing for 8-12 hour flights. Airlines will customize there own policies based on what was negotiated with the union.

Airplanes that have 3 man flight crews (747 classics), DC-10's, L1011's, already meet the 8-12 hour requirement.
 
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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Fri Jun 29, 2001 12:01 am

Depending on the airline, the aircraft and the regulations which it operates under, you can have single crew, augmented crew or double crew. Union regulations in particular airlines may also play a part.
 
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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Fri Jun 29, 2001 12:19 am

Zauberfloete>But there are airlines, that NEVER use enlarged crews, regardless the lenght of the flight.
Mainly charter airlines have this poilicy. There are airlines arround where pilots have a maximum allowed flying time of 18hrs (!) in a 2 Man Cockpit
And there are some people saying that Smoking in a cockpit is risky and dangerous!!!
 
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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Fri Jun 29, 2001 12:32 am

Actually 456, he is right!
 
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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Fri Jun 29, 2001 1:05 am

I believe him without any doubt!! I talked alot with an Flight attendant on that flight, and she told me that at some charter airliners (not klm) WITH some delay, the pilots have to work all day. (ok, not flying, but in a cockpit environment).
I think that it is more dangerous than anything else!
 
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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Fri Jun 29, 2001 1:15 am

What Airbus never told you was the second deck on the A380 is actually for auxiliary crew  Big grin

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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Fri Jun 29, 2001 12:53 pm

RW774477 lol..thats a good one....
 
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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Fri Jun 29, 2001 1:27 pm

While it might vary from company to company, but when I used to go to Tokyo with Pan Am on the 747SP, we carried 1 Captain, 2 F/O's, and 2 F/E's. They rotated their duty so there would be three up all the time. They had 2 bunks(in the cockpit). Our scheduled flight time was 12 1/2 hrs. from JFK to NRT(Tokyo) up over Canada and Alaska coming awfully close to Sakhalin(sp) island a few times.
 
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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Fri Jun 29, 2001 1:59 pm

My brother flew YYZ-GRU a month ago. He was sitting in business class and and he told me that at some point during the flight the CAPT took a seat and slept there. I dont think there were more than two pilots on this flight.
 
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RE: How Many Pilots On 1 Flight

Fri Jun 29, 2001 5:14 pm

On LOT more than 10 hr. flights there is an addditional pilot. Three of them are in the cockpit during take off and landing but during the flight one of them is seating (sleeping) in the business class section with 2 hours rotation.