OFFICIAL: SWA To Build ISP Terminal

Wed Jul 04, 2001 11:33 pm

Newday is reporting that SWA and The Town of Islip have signed off on building a new 4-Gate Terminal at LI MacArthur Airport. Comp. date Sept. 2002.

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RE: OFFICIAL: SWA To Build ISP Terminal

Thu Jul 05, 2001 2:41 am

Fantasitc news, YES. finally after all this time they were able to get everyone to sign on. can't wait to see it. ISP is really growing and moving up nicely, chnaged completely to become a nice regional airport that is a great escape from LaGuardia.
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RE: OFFICIAL: SWA To Build ISP Terminal

Thu Jul 05, 2001 3:22 am


As full as DL's RJ flights out of CVG and ATL have been I'm suprised increased Delta service has not been added in quite awhile. I think eventually DL would like to get back into the ISP-BOS market. Also, with Spirit out of the picture I would think that the Florida flights out of ISP are doing well on both DL and WN. I'm still suprised by the number of flights WN has to BWI, I knew U flew this market, but I had no idea it could support 8 737 flights a day.
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Thu Jul 05, 2001 3:50 am

When WN enters a market, they offer reasonable fares (I didn't say always the cheapest, so save the spam), and oevrall demand inevitably goes up, as a lot of people who would have driven, now fly; and a lot of business which would have to have been done over the phone, can now be economically done in person.

So maybe the ISP-BWI market wouldn't support so many flights at extortionate fares... but at WN's "no-gouging" fares, the "Company Plane" is waiting!
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RE: OFFICIAL: SWA To Build ISP Terminal

Thu Jul 05, 2001 4:39 am

This is fantastic news!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I am so glad Southwest is so committed to ISP and I fully support the airports growth and expansion. I hope some of the other airlines are watching how successful Southwest is at ISP and they will want to add service to ISP or will bring back mainline jet service to ISP
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RE: OFFICIAL: SWA To Build ISP Terminal

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:51 am

Great news! Now if WN would start out of SWF they could surround NYC like they did Boston.
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RE: OFFICIAL: SWA To Build ISP Terminal

Fri Jul 06, 2001 3:50 am

Well I have a question that maybe someone in the ISP area could answer for me. The article mentions that although Southwest is building a new 4 gate terminal, Southwest's existing 3 gates will be "shut down", so they're really only getting 1 new gate. $35 million seems like an awful lot to pay for just one new gate, especially considering that Southwest will be footing the bill for most of the cost. Legend's 6 gate terminal in DAL was only $20 million.

So are the 3 existing gates going to be shut down permanently (demolished), are they going to be used by other airlines, or are they going to be refurbished and made available to Southwest at a later date once Southwest outgrows the 4 new gates it is bulding. Thanks for any info.


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RE: OFFICIAL: SWA To Build ISP Terminal

Fri Jul 06, 2001 4:00 am

The current WN ISP gates areas are REALLY crowded and cramped. Basically they are simply mobile home add-on's to the existing main terminal.
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RE: OFFICIAL: SWA To Build ISP Terminal

Fri Jul 06, 2001 4:12 am

Re the question about mainline service at's been a marginal airport for the high-fare oligopoly carriers all its life. Sometimes they've been able to fill MD-80s at their gouge fares, sometimes not. I've argued in the past that they won't grow at ISP to keep up with WN because they don't have big established operations to protect.

However, the majors do seem to be growing substantially at Manchester MHT which was a marginal airport for the Six Families other than US before Southwest arrived. Delta, Northwest and Continental in particular have really added at MHT since Southwest's 1997 arrival. MHT like ISP is a small airport that is close to a huge population base.

What disappoints me is that Southwest is committing to build gates at the existing ISP terminal on the south side of the airport. THey should be building a new terminal on the north side, adjacent to the Long Island Railroad. LoneStarMike is right--replacing existing gates at the small and poorly-located existing terminal, even if they're mobile-home add ons that need replacement--doesn't seem smart to me.

Here in the DC area, BWI's close link to the MARC commuter trains makes that airport very convenient for us in the District of Columbia to use--we take MEtro to Union STation and hop MARC up to BWI. What are LIRR fares like? MARC from Union Stn to BWI is only $5.

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RE: OFFICIAL: SWA To Build ISP Terminal

Mon Jul 09, 2001 6:42 am

Well this article from the Suffolk Life Newspapers answered some of my questions.

MacArthur to build new terminal
Southwest to pay $35 milion

Apparently the 3 existing Southwest gates will be turned into office space. Part of the $35 million will also go for 2400 new parking spaces and a moving walkway to lead directly to the Southwest terminal. I wish the article would have been more specific as to where on the airport property the terminal would be constructed, although I think it does mention that the parking spaces will be on the east side of the airport property.


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RE: OFFICIAL: SWA To Build ISP Terminal

Mon Jul 09, 2001 6:56 am

This is great news for ISP, maybe Southwest will turn ISP into a hub if surrounding residents allow it.


RE: OFFICIAL: SWA To Build ISP Terminal

Mon Jul 09, 2001 10:38 am

35 million for 1 new gate and 3 renovated ones!

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RE: OFFICIAL: SWA To Build ISP Terminal

Mon Jul 09, 2001 11:00 am

I am glad to see WN expanding, and I'm sure the traffic will increase to and from ISP as a result.. BTW- DCA-ROCguy said something about a tram from DC to BWI for $5??? I wish we had a tram to FNT or DTW for $5! Big grin
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RE: OFFICIAL: SWA To Build ISP Terminal

Mon Jul 09, 2001 12:57 pm

I'm going to go out on a little bit of a limb, and comment on the financing of the new terminal, but, being an airport management employee who does know a little about airport capital project financing, I'll throw this out there:

The two articles referenced in this thread tell us that Southwest is going to foot the $35 million tab for the terminal, with the FAA paying the rest. I would look into this a little further, and find out whether or not Southwest is actually paying the bill, or.....fronting the bill that will eventually be paid by the ISP airport people. That would be done via rent credits paid by SW to the airport (the airport would lower SW's rental costs of terminal, office, and overnight space).

In these days of financial micro-management by the airlines, $35 mill is a lot to be throwing around. Methinks there's more to the story than the papers are reporting (nothing nefarious, though, just unreported).

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