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747 Future With The A380 In The World

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:09 am

Here is an interesting article talking about the future of the 747. Anyone have any more speculation on the future of the 747? Is this just a way to develop the 747x at a slower pace and out of the spotlight for the A380?

http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/business/29185_jumbo28.shtml
 
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RE: 747 Future With The A380 In The World

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:47 am

The A 380 is a Super Jumbo, which simply fulfills the need of ultra-high capacity routes. The B 747 will still play a very important role in the Aviation Industry.

When it comes to replacement, the B 747-400/400ER will be perfect for many airlines. For example: Northwest is very likely to order the B 747-400/400ER in the future for their existing B 747-200s.

 
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RE: 747 Future With The A380 In The World

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:52 am

Great Article by the way.  Smile
 
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RE: 747 Future With The A380 In The World

Thu Jul 05, 2001 12:32 pm

Seems as though Boeing is planning to make several adjustments to improve the 747. They are trying very hard to keep the 747 in good production, and I think that the 747 will continue to live on for a long time.

 
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RE: 747 Future With The A380 In The World

Thu Jul 05, 2001 1:05 pm

I agree that 747s will cease to exist, merely because of the A380. Not only are they in seperate size categories, but they are also from two seperate manufacturers. By that logic, we could assume that currently, the only aircraft in the skies should be the 747, because it can cover nearly all markets. I hope that didn't sound rude or sarcastic, as it was just an observation.
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Correction To Previous Post

Thu Jul 05, 2001 1:07 pm

Sorry, the first sentence should read: "I agree that the 747s will NOT cease to exist, merely..."

again, oops
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RE: 747 Future With The A380 In The World

Thu Jul 05, 2001 4:46 pm

Thanks for posting the link. That´s an interesting article. I never had a doubt that the "Queen of the skies" will be in production for a long time coming.
 
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RE: 747 Future With The A380 In The World

Thu Jul 05, 2001 5:33 pm


The 747 will continue to sell, since it's a 400-seater (380 is a 500-seater) and it's from Boeing - so it can be packaged with strong Boeing products (777).

It won't sell in the same numbers, since now it has competition, however.
 
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RE: 747 Future With The A380 In The World

Thu Jul 05, 2001 5:49 pm

It would be awesome if Boeing made a slighly larger 747 say 450-470 seats then its future would be even brighter as it would be sized in between the 773, A346
and A380. The A380 and current 744 do serve different markets, but the 747 defienatly has a bright furture in my mind.

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RE: 747 Future With The A380 In The World

Thu Jul 05, 2001 6:06 pm

The 747 will probably continue to sell, but the A380 will introduce a new standard in comfort (leg room ...), and people will easily get used to it. The 747 will have a hard time to compete with that.
 
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RE: 747 Future With The A380 In The World

Thu Jul 05, 2001 6:18 pm

Sebolino,

How much leg room (seat pitch) there will be in the A380 will be decided by the airlines, not Airbus.

 
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RE: 747 Future With The A380 In The World

Thu Jul 05, 2001 6:36 pm

Personally I don't think that the 747 and the A380 really go for the same market. In the current market economy, airlines are struggling to get planes out full at the best of times, so it isnt all of a sudden going to be every 380 goes out full. If you look at the 737-900, then the 757, then the 767-200, 767-300, 767-400, then the 777, there isnt a huge step up between each of these planes, therefore there must be a market demand for each plane along the way. Airbus is the same, there isnt much of a step up between all their planes either. I have no doubt at all that there will be routes, and times of the year that the airlines can fill the 380, but it isnt going to be all the time, therefore the 747-400 will still be a very needed plane. Also I wouldnt hold your breath for a lot more leg room on the 380, at the end of the day, they will be cramming people into them like sardines, and whether or not you get an extra inch of leg room or something, you will still feel crammed when there are 555 other people around you. I have flown plenty of airbus, and plenty of boeing and as far as leg room, it isnt really the plane manufacturer that makes that decision, it is the airlines, and their reason for wanting the 380 is so that they can get as many people in that metal tube as possible. Airbus will say that it will be more legroom as being crammed with that many other people is the biggest objection to the plane, so they almost have to say that, but in the end, it will be more or less identical seat spacing to anyone else. Boeing would do the same. This isnt an A vs B opinion, I like both planes, I look forward to the A380, I think it is a needed plane and also a beautiful work of art.

The secret is to remain open minded about all of them. When the SC comes out, it will have teething problems and every airbus fan on airliners.net will be going on and on about it, and they will sort them out. When the A380 comes out it will have teething problems and all the Boeing people will have celebratory parties, but they always sort them out in the end.

 
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RE: 747 Future With The A380 In The World

Thu Jul 05, 2001 9:55 pm

LON-CHI- I know that Virgin Atlantic has said that they will have increased legroom and other passenger amenities. But I can't recall the number of the increase. I can find out, I'll post the number later.

On another note- I think that the B747 will remain in service, and will continue to exist. Certainly airlines that are getting new 747's won't pull then out of service when the A380 enters service.
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RE: 747 Future With The A380 In The World

Fri Jul 06, 2001 12:11 am

Remember the original 747X proposal for a plane somewhat larger than the 747-400 but with 9,000 nautical mile range? This is smaller than the 747X Stretch that Boeing tried to sell to SQ.

Why do I think that within two years we may see fairly substantial orders of what could become the 747-500 series? A plane with the fuselage length of the 747X but with an all-new wing fitted with Aviation Partners large winglets that will allow 9,000 nautical mile range and a cruise speed of Mach 0.90?

There is much skepticism of the Sonic Cruiser because of its 200-250 pax payload; a 747 seating 450 pax in three classes with economic cruise at Mach 0.90 and circa 9,000 nautical mile range could be of GREAT interest to the airlines, since the development costs will be far less than the A380-800 (about US$4.5-$5.5 billion) but will cruise faster and out-range the A388.
 
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RE: 747 Future With The A380 In The World

Fri Jul 06, 2001 4:06 am

I can't see enough market space for 550+ seater without even bigger market for 400+ seater. So 747 is supposed to be at least no less popular in future than 380... which, BTW, will be more comfortable since it will have the same 3-4-3 in a wider fuselage (upper deck though seems to have too curved walls - could be a nightmare for those having window seat). But having different capacity they won't compete directly anyway.

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