airlinelover
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NW 727-200 Replacements?

Sun Jul 08, 2001 12:16 pm

I am hearing all over that NWA (and most other US carriers) will be replacing thier fleet of 727-200's. What will they be replaced with? How soon will they be phased out, and will any be kept for last-minute use?
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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Sun Jul 08, 2001 1:05 pm

The most recent order of A320's is for that purpose.
 
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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Sun Jul 08, 2001 1:25 pm

The regular 727 fleet should be off the line by end of 2002.

The 5 727s in sports charter config are not going anywhere though.
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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Sun Jul 08, 2001 2:06 pm

I'm hoping NWA places a large order for B717's to replace their large fleet of museum quality DC9s.

Seems like a no - brainer...
 
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Heavymetal

Sun Jul 08, 2001 2:29 pm

Didn't you hear? The DC-9's are scheduled for retirement in 2021!!! LOL!
 
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RE: Heavymetal

Sun Jul 08, 2001 2:39 pm

Well, Timmsp, that would not surprise me. Delta's 727s are being phased out on an accelerated basis, mainly to reduce capacity--hard times. NW has had those Dc-9s for soooooo long it's ridiculous.
 
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BHopsde

Sun Jul 08, 2001 2:50 pm

I actually read something awhile back from NW that the DC-9's were designed for 60,000 cycles and that they were only about 2/3's of the way to that number.

They are incredibly well maintained I must say. I've had more bad luck with their A320's breaking down than the DC-9's.

One thing I will miss about them though is the "hushed" sound of one taking off.
 
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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Sun Jul 08, 2001 2:56 pm

In my eyes there will never be a true replacement for the 727. No new plane is a trijet and they don't have the rear DB Cooper Airstairs. I really miss the days in which you could depart the aircraft that way and walk on a tarmac right between two planes. Ahh where have thsoe days gone? Even though the 757 is supposed to be a replacement for the 727; It's great for transatlantic ops but theres no rear airstars and the nose is ugly as sin. It's like Boeing took a nose of a 777 and filed it down in order to fit the narrow bod fuse. Just my opinion but the plane look disporportional. The 727 with it's tru jets and shap nose is sleek and is built to last and is relibale since over 2,000 plus have been built and still in service...But unfortionalty not for long.  Crying
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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Sun Jul 08, 2001 3:12 pm

I take great issue with you, good sir, on the aesthetics of the 757!

Yes, the 727 was and is a clean, sleek hot rod.

But I think the 75- is hands down the sharpest looking machine on any tarmac at any commercial airport anywhere* (with respects to Concorde of course).

It's long, lean body sits atop a muscular wing joint and two very efficient wings. The extra tall landing gear make the ship look like its airborne even at the gate. And that nose you criticize is the face of a thoroughbred...a big panoramic living room with fish-bowl windows that make the cockpit feel far roomier than its dimensions allow....and visibility that even allows partial wing inspections from the pilots seats, something not possible on a 727. The 757 is a pilot's airplane, in every sense of the phrase.

On nice sunny days I do miss the long lesuirely climbout of a trusty old 727. But in this day and age, when I'm number 24 for departure and my butt's assleep by the time the skipper applys takeoff power, the fact that the 757 seems to get me halfway to cruising altitude before we're over the airport fence is a welcome reminder that im on my way.

Long live the sleek, sexy Seven Five!


 
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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Sun Jul 08, 2001 3:31 pm

The DC-9 is a very fine airplane and has served many airlines loyaly for over forty years.
However, as time passes, it becomes less feasable to maintain older aging airplanes and thus newer updated equipment becomes a better choice. With Northwest, they continue to fly a large number of DC-9s and those planes presently meet the needs of the airline.
However, I have my doubts that those planes, the DC-9
could remain in the fleet for another 20 years as a earlier post stated, that would mean many of those planes would have flown for nearly 60 years, umm, not to practicle in my opinion. Heck by the year 2021 we will probably flying by way of space, the DC-9 would only be a fond memory of the past at that point.
In any case, long live the DC's and MD's!
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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Mon Jul 09, 2001 1:15 am

Having followed route and aircraft developments at NW through their concise, user-friendly timetables over the past 10 years, it is very evident that A320s are the replacement of choice on many routes once flown by 727s. To a lesser degree, 757s and A319s have replaced the "three-holer" on some services.

A concurrent trend at NW, according to their timetables, has been to replace 727s with D9S/D95 types on most of its shorter spokes from its hubs as the latter are withdrawn from longer routes where they are replaced with 319s and 320s being added to NW's fleet.

The answer to the question of "what" will replace NW's remaining 727s seems apparent from following their timetables; more 319s and 320s. Some of NW's 727s are relatively young; the issue of "when" these will be retired is, in my view, an open question pending the direction of capacity needs and fuel prices.
 
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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Mon Jul 09, 2001 4:18 am

In my opinion, the best replacement for the 727's are either the A321 or the B757
 
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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Mon Jul 09, 2001 4:50 am

The thing that makes most US/European commercial aviation comparisons border on silly is the sheer and awesome difference in the seperate markets.

Both American and UAL operate upwards of a thousand aircraft each! Many of the cities they pair in the US have more people in them than a good number of the countries in Europe.

It will warm the hearts of our European friends to know that, yes, one of the most annoying things those of us in the vast suburban empires in America experience is an old 727 roaring out of our nearby airport on a quiet Sunday morning at two to three times the decibal level of a new Next Gen 737 or the practically nonexsitant sound of an Avro RJ capering skyward.

The faithful 72's...even the hush kitted ones...are on their way out. But, as the previous graph shows, you can't just dump them all in one year.

As far as safety is concerned, yes, we've had old airplane issues in the states. But anyone who has ever seen a heavy D-Check required by the FAA at a certain flight cycle knows that the airplane is essentially a like-new machine when the inspection and replacements are performed.

Case in point, a sad one, but I'll bring it up nonetheless...


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Here's N739PA, Ocean Maid of the Seas, in happier days. We all know her fate, and we've all seen the sad spot of Scottish countryside where her nose section landed. Consider that this large piece of airplane flew over 30,000 feet at speeds in the hundreds of miles an hour...AFTER a powerful bomb blast. N739 PA had undergone a D-check just months before her doom...the fact that her nose didn't flatten into a million pieces upon impact is testimony to the strength of the average hull of an airliner. Indeed the nose section still had dimension to it even after that brutal landing.

Airplanes are built strong. The people who maintain them are built smart and inquisitive. Put the two together and...well, put it this way....to this day we can't name the exact date the very last DC-3 will make its' very last landing, can we?
 
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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Mon Jul 09, 2001 5:18 am

Which aircraft flies which segments is constantly revised by the airlines for all different reasons, but in general, the NW 727s are being replaced by A320s, the DC9-50s are being replaced by A319s, and DC9-10s are being replaced by 146s operated by LINK, the DC-10-40s shall be replaced by the 757-300, and the DC-10-30s will be replaced by the A330.

The big question that remains is what will replace the NW DC-9-30s, and when? There are a huge number of planes to be considered, and we have had many discussions on the merits of the A318 and 717 (great arguements can be made for both, its personal opinion, I think that NW will go with the 717). But NW just invested a fortune into their DC9s, with all new interiors, hushkits, heavy overhauls, so the DC-9-30s may be with us for much longer than we think.
 
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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Mon Jul 09, 2001 6:00 am

I, for one, will be sad to see the 727 go. They are great looking workhorses of the fleet, NW and others, and when they go, a piece of aviation history will go with them  Sad . I just hope I get to fly on one before they go.


Chris

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RE: Heavymetal

Mon Jul 09, 2001 6:33 am

HEAVYMETAL:
What you said about the 757....well lets just say your my new best friend, I LOVE THAT PLANE!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Mon Jul 09, 2001 7:54 am

I was plane watching at ORD today. I'm gonna miss the 727. My 2 favorite planes to watch are the 747 cuz it's big and the 727 cuz it's loud...
 
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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Mon Jul 09, 2001 10:15 am

They will be replacing the 727's with A320's. And about the DC-9's, they are old but they still run good because the mechanics at NWA do a good job keeping them running good.
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RE: NW 727-200 Replacements?

Mon Jul 09, 2001 10:50 am

I have heard from previous posts as well as other places that NW mechanics are 2nd to none. That would explain the DC-9 status. They are nice little planes, and I don't mind riding in one!

Chris
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