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Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Tue Jul 10, 2001 7:07 pm

I heard "via the grapevine" that the QF 747SPs are up for sale and will be gone by the end of the year.

Any confirmations of this rumour? What is the source?

I sure am glad to be booked on one for August 30 (SYD-BNE) to have a trip on one before they're retired. For $55 it sure is worth the memories the trip will no doubt provide in later life...
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Tue Jul 10, 2001 7:38 pm

Yes they will be retired (sold)
however, I have not yet put my finger on the source.
Somebody sent me an article in my email and I unfortunately deleted it!
Sorry!

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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Tue Jul 10, 2001 8:34 pm

http://www.planemart.com/listings.asp?type=Commercial&manufacturer=BOEING&model=747SP

Two Boeing 747SPs for sale by Qantas available November 2001... this confirms that the wonderful plane will no longer serve with Qantas. But I wonder, are there any other 747SPs in regular airline service?
-turbolet
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Tue Jul 10, 2001 8:35 pm

I think Iran Air operate a 747SP, as do South African Airways.
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Tue Jul 10, 2001 8:47 pm

I am very sad that Qantas are selling the B747 classics esp SP !! I love the SP especially the grand lady visits my airport ( Changi ) daily . I will miss that plane

Apart from Qantas , i know Saudi Arabia, Iran Air are still operating the B747SP .

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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Tue Jul 10, 2001 8:48 pm

Don't worry about the SPs leaving QF, no-one will ever buy them. They are too expensive to operate.



 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Tue Jul 10, 2001 8:50 pm

I believe that Syrian might be operating their SPs.
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Tue Jul 10, 2001 9:01 pm

Pity that the SP is slowly vanishing! It's such a good looking plane for one thing. If they don't sell them, they'll scrap them :-(, so selling is probably better, so long as they remain operational.
-turbolet
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Tue Jul 10, 2001 9:49 pm

I agree with Blackbox. No one will buy them. They are money drainers not money makers!

Tim
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Tue Jul 10, 2001 9:52 pm

I love the 747SP though have only flown it recently for the first time.
Corsair still operates 747SP (F-GTOM). It was a substitute for an AF flight that I took to CAY. The same airplane was not too long ago seen in Auckland replacing temporarily Air Tahiti Nui AKL flight.
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Tue Jul 10, 2001 10:05 pm

As far as I know Syrian and Iran both still use the SP's. Last time I saw a Syrian SP was rougly half a year ago. I have last seen an Iranian SP last Sunday (08-07-01). This was the EP-IAA. Both planes were seen at Amsterdam Schiphol.
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Tue Jul 10, 2001 10:32 pm

Just flew an SP for the first time from CGK to SYD. What a cool plane! What will be replacing these planes on the present routes?
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Jul 11, 2001 12:23 pm

All the Qantas 747 classics, including the SPs, are advertised as for sale through the Boeing Aircraft Trading site. The SPs are the first to go:

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/airtrade/reports/747.html

Andy
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Jul 11, 2001 2:27 pm

For a long time QF tried to persuade the Federal Gov't to buy the SPs to replace the old RAAF 707s. Unfortunately for QF, even the Gov't weren't convinced of the economics of buying 2 planes both nearly 20 years old. The Gov't has instead ordered 2 BBJs but QF can take some solace that they have won the maintenance contract on the BBJs.
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Jul 11, 2001 3:23 pm

How can the 747SP be good looking? I think it is one of the silliest looking aircraft out there... Little midget jet...

 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Jul 11, 2001 5:10 pm

"How can the 747SP be good looking? I think it is one of the silliest looking aircraft out there... Little midget jet..."

Its called personal taste. I like the SP very much. Ok, its not so elegant as the "normal" 747, but it looks cute, somehow like a giant baby. To my eyes the SP looks better than its modern sister, the 777, and a lot better than the 777-300. Thats what I call a silly-looking aircraft.

Anyway, sad to hear the QF-SPs are leaving, even if we here in Europe will never have a chance to see them.
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Jul 11, 2001 5:15 pm

That is sad. How many SP's are left worldwide? Is it about 25? Apart from Qantas, Syrian, Corsair and Iran Air who else has them? Does Iraqi still have their SPs?

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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Jul 11, 2001 5:23 pm

"All the Qantas 747 classics, including the SPs, are advertised as for sale through the Boeing Aircraft Trading site. The SPs are the first to go"

Thats true, but interesting is, the 747-200s still in the QF fleet are mentioned to be available from 2004, 2006 and 2007! I´ve never heard about someone trying to sell a used transport 6 years before delivery!
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Jul 11, 2001 5:42 pm

Why were the sp's built in the first place? For which segment/part of the market. Not that many planes were bought by the airliners.
Was it ever an economical plane after all? I mean, is in not too heavy for the amount of passengers it flew? With his mostly useless upperdeck weight.

Don't get me wrong, a VERY nice plane after all
(is his tale larger than a normal 747? Why?)
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Jul 11, 2001 5:53 pm

Not all QF 747 Classics are up for sale yet. The -300 series wasnt shown to be up for sale amongst the others there.
The tail of the 747SP is taller than that of the 744 because of the shortened airframe. The 747SP had a much longer range than the 747-100 (the only other 747 in production when it was released). The seat/mile costs were very good in its time and the range opened up new routes such as SYD-LAX. Unfortunately it wasnt a very successful aircraft, sales wise, since the 747-200 (i think) was released and had similar range with better seat/mile costs and more capacity.
Correct me If I am wrong.
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Jul 11, 2001 6:19 pm

You are right with one exception, Qantas737: The 747-200 was already 5 years on the market when the SP came out (742: 1971, SP: 1976). The 747-200s range was gradually growing from update to update but never came near the one of the 747SP. The first aircraft to surpass the SP´s range was the 747-400.

I want to add something: when the SP was developed in the early 70s, oil was cheap. When it came out after the first oil crisis that had changed. And there was already the DC-10-30, a cheaper similar-sized and more fuel-efficient aircraft that was well established in some big airlines already. And there were very few airlines that needed the extra-range of the SP, the only USP the SP had when finally delivered to its customers from 1976 on.
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Jul 11, 2001 6:28 pm

tnx qantas737 and Na!
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Jul 11, 2001 11:43 pm

It will be quite sad to see this aircraft phased out, it was both interesting and a unique aircraft. Here are some other airlines that operate them or operated them at some stage. Air China, China Airlines, Iran Airlines, Korean Airlines, Saudi Arabian, South African, Evergreen,
United, Qatar, Air Namibia, Oman, Corsair, Global Air, Iraqi Airways, Mandarin Airlines, TWA, and United.
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Jul 11, 2001 11:57 pm

Evergreen operating 747SP?
Don't think so.
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Jul 12, 2001 2:56 am

btw, what about the third SP on the VH-register, the Global Air-Jumbo. Still sleeping at Jakarta?
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Jul 12, 2001 6:20 am

It was in march when I shot it.
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Jul 12, 2001 6:40 am

The 747SP was designed way before any larger aircraft could fly ultra long distances. It wasn't until the 747-400(?) that the 747SP's long range was surpassed.

It will live in my memory for a long long time, they are beautiful aircraft, pretty much an aquired taste i'd say.

I agree with na about the 777-300 looking silly, such a long aircraft with only two engines just looks out of place, even the A340-600 doesn't look bad (in fact it looks great) for its length.

Corsair still operates 747SP (F-GTOM). It was a substitute for an AF flight that I took to CAY

Funny you should say that, wouldn't have happened to be 6th/7th July would it?

My Dad was on the flight back from Karou (working on the Envisat satellite, launched in the Ariane 5 rocket), when the A340 was cancelled a the corsair F-GTOM was flown on the route instead!

Is this the same (returning) flight?

Cayenne - Charles de Gaulle?

Unfortunetely, i had two flights last summer, to and from CNS from SYD, and neither was an SP!

Instead it was the 767-338 and 767-238ER, which will replace the SP when it leaves the fleet (if it does!)

Regards, Dan
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Jul 12, 2001 4:07 pm

My only 747 flight to date was on a UA 747SP from MIA to IAD in 1993. The plane flew well and was very smooth but the interior looked dated and so was the IFE, especially compared to the 757-222 which I had flown from POS earlier that day. It was a good flight though.

Too bad that they are going... the problem with them was that their operating economics were relatively poor due to their structural weight compared with the small pax loads possible. It was still a revolutionary plane as it pioneered new trans-Pacific routes and allowed SAA (then SAL) to circumvent African nations which denied overflight rights during the days of Apartheid.

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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Jul 12, 2001 4:16 pm

Hi dan, the 767-238 will not replace the SP in QFs fleet because they´re also up for sale via Boeings website!
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Jul 12, 2001 4:39 pm

The logical replacement for the B747SP is the A330-300.
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Jul 12, 2001 6:01 pm

What you have all forgotten that EAA, EAB is the 2 oddballs out of the 65 built they are the only ones in the world to have the Rolls Royce Engines fitted the other 63 had the Pratt and whitney engines fitted so i think they will have lots of trouble selling these two
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Jul 12, 2001 6:54 pm

a little off topic, but RE: UA SP:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1163276622
 Wow! why are they sooo expensive???

Daniel Smile
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Jul 12, 2001 7:11 pm

Never was there 65 747SPs. Less than 50 were ever made, I think around 45, not quite sure. Na, you are quite right about the 742 being out before the 747SP, I wasnt able to remember it off the top of my head  Big grin
I remember hearing also that JAL managed to remove seats or something in some of their 742s to add extra fuel tanks which increased the range of their 742s to be similar to that of the 747SP, hence they didnt need the stumpy little fellas range.
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Jul 12, 2001 7:14 pm

There were 45 of them built and 6 out of those were fitted with RR engines.
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Jul 12, 2001 7:22 pm

F27, you forgot that Saudia and Abu Dhabi also got RR-powered SPs.
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Jul 19, 2001 9:08 pm

OK anyone know how you go about finding out when the SPs will be operating which domestic sectors?
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Jul 19, 2001 10:04 pm

oh thats a shame i love 747sps, they are soo cute!
shame on you qantas!
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Fri Jul 20, 2001 1:14 am

to victor hotel´s list of airlines which still operate or have operated the 747SP, may i add Tadjikistan airlines (perhaps air tadjikistan, not sure) which operated the 747SP primarily on the dushanbe-london sector...

rgds
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Fri Jul 20, 2001 1:28 am

The airline was in fact TajikAir, on lease from UAL.
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Tue Jul 24, 2001 10:22 pm

OK after getting nowhere on the telephone with Qantas I had some time in CNS today and asked the lovely lady on the ticket sales desk about the possibility of domestic sectors on either of QF's SPs.

After getting over being stunned that I knew what an SP was and what their regos were she found the following possible sectors as :

BNE - SYD
SYD - CNS
CNS - DAR
DAR - CNS
CNS - BNE

Interestingly she couldn't find anything for -EAB past September.

The other option given to me was booking on the internet. Haven't checked it out yet but hopefully will be able to ensure that the booking is on an SP.

Well I'll be targetting either sometime in August or September to make my booking before they disappear.

Regards

Rob
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Aug 01, 2001 9:13 pm

Qantas appears to have updated their schedule, and the 747SPs have disappeared from sight after Nov 2001 (indeed, it caused one of my flights to be cancelled). This suggests that buyer or nor buyer, they will be retired from QF service from Nov 2001. Can anyone confirm this officially?
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Aug 01, 2001 9:27 pm

Victor Hotel - you also forgot Air Mauritius and Royal Air Maroc! Big grin Big grin Big grin

All of SAA's SPs have now been retired - I understand they are due to be broken up for parts.
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Aug 01, 2001 9:29 pm

Just Incase you guys are trying to book fares darwin is DRW not DAR. Have Fun  Smile i have already had my ride Smile
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Wed Aug 01, 2001 11:38 pm

Ceilidh wrote:
>All of SAA's SPs have now been retired - I understand >they are due to be broken up for parts.

Are you sure ??????????????????????????????

ZS-SPA c/n: 21132
ZS-SPC c/n: 21134
ZS-SPE c/n: 21254

Are they all retired ???
What is your source ?

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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Aug 02, 2001 6:16 am

Dont think so Ceilidh. SA280 arrving in PER 02Aug is
74L ZS SPC
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Aug 02, 2001 10:36 am

There were only 45 747SP's built, of which 29 remain in service.

Oman Royal Flight - 2
Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight - 1
Dubai Air Wing - 2
Bahrain Amiri Flight - 1
Iran Air - 4
Corsair - 1
Saudi Arabian - 1
Saudi Arabian VIP A/C - 2
NASA - 1
Shamrock AVV - 1
Global Air Australia - 1
Qantas - 2
Worldwide Aircraft Holding - 1
Iraqi Airways - 2
Syrianair - 2
SAA - 3
Gulf Falcon - 1
People's Republic of Yemen - 1

Total - 29
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Aug 02, 2001 12:53 pm

Oh my God!...I'm so disappointed about the disappearance of Qantas 747SPs. I have never flew this plane before. Bad Luck for me and I gonna missed them. What a cute plane. A short fuselage and long fin tail .  Crying
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Aug 02, 2001 1:44 pm

Victor Hotel : You have also missed out Aerolineas Argentinas (what a beauty!), Qantas (the subject of this discussion), Australia Asia, Alliance (what a beauty again!!), AVIA and the Brunei Royal Flight.

Ceilidh : You mentioned that all SAA's B747SPs were retired. I just saw SAA's B747SP (forgot the regn but it has the name "Hantum" or something close to this on the nose) at BKK's Don Muang Airport about three weeks ago.

In any case, it is wonderful to see all the above discussions on the B747SP. It is such a beautiful plane, especially from the perspective of an aviation photographer.

Jan Mogren : Could you post the URL of your beautiful website on the B747SP? Lost the URL when I move from SIN to BKK recently.

KC Sim
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Aug 02, 2001 2:02 pm

It was a great aircraft, and will be sadely missed! I flew on them several times AKL-SYD, the final leg of the LAX-PPT-AKL-SYD route many years ago!

Looking at that list of the reaming SPs in service its not hard to see that a large percentage remain in service in the Middle East. Why is it such a popular aircraft there?

Sam
 
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RE: Qantas 747SPs To Be Retired This Year?

Thu Aug 02, 2001 2:27 pm

Then what is Qantas going to do on the SYD-TPE route?
Hopefully an A330!  Big thumbs up

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