kevin
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Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 12, 2001 2:03 pm

Nigerian parlament has finally made its decision for the acquisition of the new presidential aircraft. Positive.
5.5 billions nayra (48.71 mln US$).
Since his inauguration in May 1999 , Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo has made 53 foreign trips (I guess this is the biggest money spending chapter in the country's budget  Big grin ).
What airplane you think he will buy. He has 50 millions. I don't think he will go for a Gulfstream or Learjet.
BBJ or A319CJ.
 
jwenting
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 12, 2001 2:21 pm

BBJ sounds plausible.
Given the "big is beautifull" attitude among African heads of state, he'll probably get the largest possible aircraft for the money  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
I wish I were flying
 
Guest

RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 12, 2001 2:44 pm

I would not count out a Tu-204 or Tu-214 for Obasanjo.

Nigeria and Russia have signed a lot of agreements to do with oil, aviation and other issues, and if the Russian's do this right, they have a prime opportunity to snag such a deal. Just a shame they didn't seize on this opportunity whilst Obasanjo was in Moscow, only recently.
 
kevin
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 12, 2001 2:46 pm

It will be a surprise however if he gets an IL96.
 
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 12, 2001 4:35 pm

I think B737-900 will be ideal for him.
 
na
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 12, 2001 4:49 pm

The 747SP, very cheap on the market, will make a far better show. Fuel price is not so important for Nigeria, since they´re sitting on one of the largest oil-barrels in the world.
 
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 12, 2001 5:01 pm

Fuel price will be an issue because you can't put unrefined crude into an aero engine. Nigeria will have to buy the fuel from another country.
 
na
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 12, 2001 7:25 pm

Yes, but they´ll only have to pay for the refinery. Still cheaper fuel than for an average airline.
 
cfalk
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 12, 2001 8:03 pm

More than half of the country is in poverty, in spite of Nigeria being one of the worlds' biggest oil exporters, and this guy wants to buy himself a nice new BBJ (or something bigger). He should be happy with a KingAir and earn the rest.

Charles
The only thing you should feel when shooting a terrorist: Recoil.
 
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 12, 2001 8:20 pm

Give the guy a break. Compared to the last guy he's a saint.

Why shouldn't the president of the most populous country in Africa have a prestige plane. Africa isn't just mud huts and famine but also industry and skyscrapers in big cities, especially in Nigeria.

Come to think of it the last guy has got billions of dollars tied up in Swiss banks and big surprise - they won't give it back to Nigeria.
 
rajno1
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 12, 2001 8:44 pm

My Nigerian friend has heard that it will be an A340-400! I can't believe that though!
 
cfalk
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 12, 2001 9:16 pm

>I can't believe that though<

And you shouldn't either. There's no such thing as an A340-400, last I heard.

Parra,

There are ways of getting the money back, which involves proving that the money was stolen. A number of countries have done so in the past. Yes, it's time consuming, but you can't expect the Swiss to maintain their reputation for sure banking if they gave away your fortune at the first sight of an accusation.

The Nigerians shouldn't have let him steal the money in the first place anyway.

In any case, that's hardly an excuse. Nigeria could have been as rich as South Africa, if not more, had their corruption not siphoned off everything.

This plane is a good example. It is not a productive asset, and costs the same as the average annual salaries of 50,000 Nigerians.

Charles
The only thing you should feel when shooting a terrorist: Recoil.
 
Bryston
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 12, 2001 9:29 pm

I think that it will depend if the guy wants a VIP aircraft or a passenger aircraft! Price for a well equipped biz jet can be very high! Something like 40-50 mln US$ for a GV or a Global Express...

Bryston
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johnboy
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 13, 2001 1:39 am

Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Not that you're asking me, but I'll say it just the same.
 
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 13, 2001 2:01 am

He already has a Presidential B727-200A plus a fleet of smaller exec jet types. I hear from my sources in LOS that the BBJ is the hot favourite...
 
heavymetal
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 13, 2001 2:14 am

Every year Air International Magazine puts out listings of all of the world's Air Forces, their squadrons, equipment, etc.

It's funny...and kinda pathetic....that more often than not some of the poorest countries in the world are equipped with large VIP air wings with huge jetliners for their leaders.

And its' not just poor countries....The New Yorker magazine reported in 1999 about the grumblings in Brunei over the astronomical sums of money the Sultan and his immeadiate family were blowing through....including the purchase of the ultimate VIP transport....a fresh off-the-line 747-400.(Which has since been traded in for an A340 if I'm not mistaken).
 
KUGN
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 13, 2001 3:14 am

Well, Nigeria holds prestigeous rank of being #1 on list of most corrupted countries in the world.

Did anyone had a chance to read a 1999 Time article about Nigeria's Y2K solution? They didn't need one, because state of chaos is normal in their society. Nothing runs on time, there is virutally no automation, and no one expects any quality output.

There is little wonder why countries under dictatorships have starving masses, virtually no human rights, poor state of healthcare, while state of the art huge VIP jets, expensive special edition vehicles and other million dollar gadgets.

 
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 13, 2001 4:27 am

Has anyone seen the "fly on the wall" airport documentry about Lagos Airport on the Discovery Wings Channel? If the rest of the country is run along similar lines to the way the airport is run, then in my opinion some of the remarks made above about Nigeria are not too far off the mark.

Ned.
 
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 13, 2001 8:46 am

It will be an American-built aircraft.

Look for a substantial improvement (continuing the recent trend) in Washington-Abuja relations.

Look, also, for substantial cooperation between the USA and Nigeria on aviation-related matters.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
 
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 19, 2001 12:10 am

It's a shame that nobody has got anything good to say about Nigeria. Doesn't anyone realise that Nigeria is changing rapidly for the better?
 
OO-AOG
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 19, 2001 12:21 am

Would be better to spend the money on the Nigeria Airway's fleet rather than spending it on a new government plane. 3 derelict A310s stored since years due to lack of maintenance. Sad country.
Falcon....like a limo but with wings
 
na
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 19, 2001 12:36 am

"It's a shame that nobody has got anything good to say about Nigeria. Doesn't anyone realise that Nigeria is changing rapidly for the better?"

I know a lot of Nigerians and I´m quite close to the theme. Nigeria is changing for the better, that´s true, but to say "rapidly" is too much said. Corruption is - and will - still be a major factor of every business done with that country for years to come. That "worm" has gone too deep into the society over there and the difference between rich and poor is so great that I don´t believe in a rapid change unfortunately.
Of course this has to be said about many other (and not only) African states.
 
mls515
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Thu Jul 19, 2001 1:17 am

see this from The Onion:






 




 





Point-Counterpoint: Nigeria



Nigeria May Be A Developing Nation, But It Is Rich In Culture
vs. Get Me Out Of This Godforsaken Hellhole





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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 20, 2001 2:38 am

Thank you for the reference, Mls515; the account is chilling to say the least. True, Nigeria has a fascinating cultural and ethnic diversity, and its artistic and ethnological heritage is well worth studying, and I applaud the American student for his interest. However, I am sure the Nigerian student would find many uses for the $450 his US counterpart wants to spend on a native drum - the $450 is probably close to what the average Nigerian earns in a year. With all the misery, human rights violations, and abject socioeconomic inequity in Nigeria, I feel that matters such as what kind of aircraft the head of state should purchase with his stolen money are, at best, trivial.

Daniel
The aeroplane has unveiled for us the true face of the earth. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery
 
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 20, 2001 4:03 am

The Onion Point/Counterpoint article is somewhat suspicious to my mind. Bitek Okoye obviously doesn't live in Lagos otherwise he'd know that there are no more executions on Bar Beach in Victoria Island - and there haven't been any such executions there for at least 15 years.

Armed robbers are shot at Kirikiri prison; the rest are hung!
 
Greg
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 20, 2001 4:42 am

The Onion is an online parody of current topics. It's not meant to be any more serious than Mad TV or SNL...

The fact that anyone would think the article was serious is a little disturbing.....
 
mls515
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 20, 2001 5:06 am

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

I never thought anyone would take the article serious! Yes the Onion is a joke! It's making fun of idealistic intellectual wannabe college students.

Some other "Headlines" from the Onion:

300 Naked Women Feared Lost In Computer Crash
ELLICOTT CITY, MD-- An estimated 300 naked women, including actresses Pamela Anderson and Shannon Elizabeth, are feared lost as the result of a tragic computer crash Monday. "One minute, they were there, and the next, they were gone," said a visibly shaken Jonathan Blauvelt, 33, the Ellicott City resident whose Power Mac G4 was the site of the disaster. "To lose so many young girls in the blink of an eye like that, it's hard to comprehend. Angelina Jolie, Anna Kournikova, the chick from Species--it's just too much to bear." As data-recovery workers comb through the hard drive for signs of ass, Blauvelt is asking well-wishers to pray for the naked ladies' safe return.

Elderly Couple Dresses Up For Trip To Denny's
VERO BEACH, FL-- Wishing to look nice for their evening out, Vero Beach retirees Abe and Bernice Wanamaker dressed up Monday for dinner at a local Denny's. "I think I'm going to put on my light-blue slacks before we go," said Abe, taking off the shorts he'd been wearing all afternoon while sitting in the backyard. "And the brown Hush Puppies." Bernice chose to wear her good yellow dress, which she had not worn since a March 22 trip to Lums.

AND MY FAVORITE:



Bush Vows To Remove Toxic Petroleum From National Parks
WASHINGTON, DC-- Vowing to "restore the pristine splendor of America's natural treasures," President Bush Monday unveiled "Project: National Parks Clean-Up," an ambitious program to remove all toxic petrochemical deposits from national parks by 2004.
Full Text »
 
Ironminds
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 20, 2001 5:40 am

Ah, a new presidential jet...our foreign-aid dollars at work!
 
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 20, 2001 9:19 am

Great, he'll buy an A380 while his people live in squalor.
 
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 20, 2001 3:06 pm

This has been a great thread with people expressing opinions on a country's government of which they know nothing about.

Most of you will think of Nigeria as the Nigeria which was run by Abacha and his cronies. Nigeria under Obasanjo has changed for the better. Whilst there is still a long way to go in stamping out corruption, raising living standards, reviving the economy and other factors, big inroads have been made in these areas (something which would have been unthinkable under Abacha and the previous regimes).

Obasanjo represents a new Africa to some extent, and it would be good that before people throw silly comments that they actually learn a bit about what is happening.

e.g. KUGN seems to infer that Nigeria is a dictatorship. Rather, Nigeria is one of the world's largest democracies.

e.g. Cfalks seems to suggest that Obasanjo is guilty of plundering the cash reserves of the country. Rather, that was Abacha (the former military regime leader).
 
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 20, 2001 3:31 pm

Nigeria does not need a Big plane. The money should be placed in Education and Health Care. The country needs Democracy. They should take exemple of my country (Senegal was always Demograte). The Air force fly the Presisdent where he goes for Diplomatic visit.
The last visit Mr Wade did to the US, He Flew RAM (Royal Air Maroc).

Corruption is Everywhere in this World , I do not agree that only African Nations are corrupted.
 Smile

 
Guest

RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Fri Jul 20, 2001 5:55 pm

What is George Bush doing flying around in a 747 when over 30% of Americans don't have access to basic healthcare? Every country in the world has faults and poverty, that doesn't mean than these countries should not be able to have any symbols of national pride.
 
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BBJ Fine

Sun Jul 22, 2001 3:04 am

I think the BBJ would do just fine. Maybe a 727, but not a 747-just wouldn't look right with el presidente.

-Notar520AC
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Sun Jul 22, 2001 3:39 am

Parra-
What is George Bush doing flying around in a 747 when over 30% of Americans don't have access to basic healthcare?

The 747 was there when he got there, he did not "order" it for him. The healthcare part has nothing to do with it; he needs a plane to take him to other countrys for whatever, the 747 gives him the room for other members that travel with him. The cost of a 747 is very tiny compared to the cost of health care for a entire nation as large as the US. What should he travel in a rowboat?
 
747-451
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Para/Aviatsiya

Sun Jul 22, 2001 7:40 am

Para-

President Bush didn't "order" it for himself, rather, it is a flying command post. It is not a symbol of "presitge", rather a ncessity for a leader of a rather large country. Other "large" countries use "large" planes as well. (eg Jpana uses a 747-400, Russian leaders use IL62's etc.). The cost of a 747, even the special 747 used by US leaders is a drop in the bucket....

Aviatsiya-

No, maybe we don't have all the "facts" on Nigeria, but what we do know is that it is not a rcih country that can afford extravigances like "new" planes, when Nigeria has more pressing concerns. If Nigeria's leaders have to fly, they should either buy a plane on the used market or lease aplane as needed. There is no need for "grandiose" symbols pf prestige when people are in the streets a la Idi Amin.
 
heavymetal
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RE: Nigerian President Buys New Jet. Big One!

Sun Jul 22, 2001 8:04 am

To our foreign friends...

The reason we have a 747 as Air Force One is to fly the President up front and all the reporters who hate him in the back.

It's part of what makes America great that we can fly around, in tremendous comfort and style, the people who will write the stories that will hit the newswires that will filter to Europe and allow you to give us crap about what kind of idiot sits in the FRONT of the plane.

(PS-Bully for Nigeria. I recommend a used Gulfstream IV. Plenty of legroom for Mr. Obasnjo. Unless of course he wants to make some seats available for the loyal opposition.)