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Air Rage (jetpilot Should See This Re. Passengers)

Sun Jun 13, 1999 9:36 am

Do you guys have air rage in the US? You must. There have been some amazing incidents in Europe in last couple of years. The most outrageous was on a Leisure International 767-300 going from London to Orlando. There was a party of about twelve, and they were from an incredibly rough housing estate in southeast London. Someone said something about someone else's wife, and it kicked off big time. Apparently there were bodies flying through the air and bouncing off the cabin walls. The pilot landed at Dover, Delaware ("Hey, we're in...Delaware!") and all twelve were arrested. It also started this huge welfare-swindling inquiry, cos the holiday had cost £10K and they were all claiming unemployment, housing, child benefit etc. Basically they were gypsies, selling dope and dodgy cars and hoovering the state. Would have loved to have seen it though. But there have been loads of other incidents, minor British pop star called Ian Brown threatened to cut a flight attendent's hands off when she asked him if he wanted to buy any duty-free (bearded captain was called out to the cabin to have a quiet word). Then, during the actual landing Ian Brown went up to the flight deck and hammered on the door and threatened the captain with physical violence and asked him to "step outside". And also to shave (?). Three month jail term. Why can't pop stars behave themselves on planes? Liam Gallagher from British group Oasis caused a disturbance on a Cathay 747 from HKG to Perth and although the airline didn't ban him straight away, they did ask (later) for an apology. Liam said that one of their flight attendents "deserved a good stabbing" (classy guy) which probably didn't strike the contrite note they were looking for and promptly slapped a life-long ban on him and the group.
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RE: Air Rage (jetpilot Should See This Re. Passengers)

Sun Jun 13, 1999 10:30 am

That incident with Oasis - it was in an Airbus A330-300.
These people are warts on the face of humanity - i mean what do they honestly think they achieve by doing this? You don't see Pavarotti do that sort of thing. If you or i did that, we'd be arrested and imprisioned.
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RE: Air Rage (jetpilot Should See This Re. Passengers)

Sun Jun 13, 1999 11:03 am

I have a friend who is a SWA flight attendant,and how they deal with it,is very simple,they tell the passenger that if they have to the return to the gate,or reopen the door to put them off,that they will be 2 federal officers waiting for them,then they kindly explain what the word felony mean. In other words they threaten the passenger. My friend tells me it is very effective,its ends problems before they get started.

Which reminded me of the time when I used to work at the Austin airport. There was this saying going around,that the security officers,both state and federal loved "fresh meat."...in other words,they don't play.

SWA has the right idea,if you are a law abiding passenger then you will not be offended,but if you a passenger thats acting like a fool,being offended by a threat will be the least of your problems.
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RE: Air Rage (jetpilot Should See This Re. Passengers)

Sun Jun 13, 1999 11:29 am

Maybe pax need to be reminded that we carry handcuffs and a baton. Under NZ law we can use force to restrain a pax that endangers a flight. By all accounts, rage is on the rise. Our most common one is the stressed out smoker. All our flight are non-smoking. But its the drunks that are most verbal and violent. A woman tried to open a door on finals last year. We wonder were she got the black eye from.

RE: Air Rage (jetpilot Should See This Re. Passengers)

Sun Jun 13, 1999 12:03 pm

Has any airline considered distributing nicorette gum to calm the smokers on flights over 1 hour? Anyone think that a good idea?
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RE: Air Rage (jetpilot Should See This Re. Passengers)

Sun Jun 13, 1999 1:39 pm

On flights where we cary livestock (horses and things that can do damage not chickens) we are issued a firearm. I just assume bring it with me to U.S. Airways.

I never had to shoot any animals, but I almost had to shoot a captain who fell and broke his leg. But then I remembered that's for horses.
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RE: Air Rage (jetpilot Should See This Re. Passengers)

Sun Jun 13, 1999 9:23 pm

Cedarjet, I believe it was an Airtours flight that had to divert to Dover, DE, rather than Leisure. Not that that matters, your point is well taken and I completely agree with you.

Unfortunately, these people that caused the 767 to divert to Dover were not handed any heavy fines at all by a US judge. They should have. But they did the usual thing when going to court, dress smartly, say how sorry you are and beg forgiveness. It worked but unfortunately it may have set the tone for future cases. The airlines are ready to crack down on air-rage but they can't do it without the law enforcement authorities backing them up.
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RE: Jetpilot

Sun Jun 13, 1999 10:23 pm

Nice one! lol The times Ive wanted to shoot a captain.
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RE: Air Rage (jetpilot Should See This Re. Passengers)

Mon Jun 14, 1999 3:16 am

The Airtours jet did infact land at Norfolk International Airport.
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RE: Air Rage (jetpilot Should See This Re. Passengers)

Mon Jun 14, 1999 3:27 am

Speaking of smoking, there was a flight to New York on I think American Airlines. It was a non-smoking flight and there was a heavy smoker. 2 hours into the flight, she had to have a smoke. She went to the bathroom but before she smoked, she dissabled the smoke detector! Nobdy noticed that anything was going on. Innocently, she sat right back down in her seat. 3 hours into the flight, she had to smoke again. This time, there was someone already in the lavatory, so she just went to the one across and dissabled that smoke detector! Nobody noticed there was smoke in the lavatory. A flight attendent saw her go in beacuase she was next in line. The Flight Attendant walked in the lavatory and it smelled like smoke. She checked all the lavatories and found the 2 which she smoked in. After landing at J.F.K, she was arrested immediately.

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