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Bwia To Help Airlift To Tobago

Fri Jul 13, 2001 6:53 am

Hey,

I just read at candoo.com that BWIA wants to takeover the airlift crisis to Tobago from the UK. They are planning on doing a Manchester-Tobago route.

Number one- Would they be able to operate this route with the downgrade from category 1 status to 2?

Number two- What aircraft would they use on this route? If its the L-1011's they can forget it. It already cost's them a fortune to operate a flight from Port Of Spain to London with the L-1011.

Number three- Do you all think that they will aquire a new aircraft for this route? Are they financially settled to do this?

Number four- Someone said that Aleong said that the Tristar replacements would be in operation by early 2002. The person who said this said that it was in BWIA's inflight magazine.

In conclusion, do you all think that this is a lucrative route that BWIA is planning to operate?

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RE: Bwia To Help Airlift To Tobago

Fri Jul 13, 2001 1:28 pm

What do you all think about this deal?
 
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RE: Bwia To Help Airlift To Tobago

Fri Jul 13, 2001 11:20 pm

Sounds a bit haphazardy-PR to me.
Tho maybe I was right now that (re: Class1->Class 2) Atlanta is not on the cards immedietly... a 737 previously planned to be used to ATL can be added to any North American route that might `normally' require a L1011 ....
thus freeing the latter up for say....Manchester once a week or somesuch.
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RE: Bwia To Help Airlift To Tobago

Fri Jul 13, 2001 11:33 pm

I think maybe that BWIA should lease in a 763er to operate this route. The 763 being a perfect a/c for the route, with the L1011 costs maybe becoming too much for them to be operated into MAN profitably.
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RE: Bwia To Help Airlift To Tobago

Mon Jul 16, 2001 3:54 pm

A tricky one indeed. BWIA's current stae is not very promising and with the Category 2 downgrading it will not be able to expand into the US. Its ability to serve the UK is unaffected and it could open new routes to MAN.

As for the circumstances, that is the strange part. BWIA announced the route after jmc decided to drop TAB, a combined result of falling profitability and the retirements of the DC-10-30s bought from BA some years ago. There seems to be political goodwill on all sides but it must still be asked, how did they decide on that? If a charter company whose operating costs are generally lower can abandon the route, what about full-service BWIA? Furthermore, what plane would it use? With 2 TriStars down and out and the other 2 keeping the LHR service alive BWee should consider a newer plane for their services to MAN. It will be an expensive step there though.

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RE: Bwia To Help Airlift To Tobago

Mon Jul 16, 2001 8:37 pm

I understand that this service will start in January using L15s. Given that there are currently only two operational at the moment - and that they are fully committed on the London route - this means that they will have to return to service at least one of the stored aircraft. Unfortunately, they don't appear to have the money vailable to do that - or to lease in new aircraft.

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RE: Bwia To Help Airlift To Tobago

Mon Jul 16, 2001 10:13 pm

Hey,

Well now it has been said that Monarch Airlines has applied do to a route from the UK to Trinidad and Tobago. Not sure which airport but most likely Tobago. This route will most likely be operated with Monarch's A330-200. The only thing is that Monarch is looking for a tour operator to charter the planes out to fly. They are also considering Grenada too. If Monarch flies to POS or TAB, do you all think BWIA will need to do this route to MAN? Most likely the Monarch flight would be from MAN but thats a guess.
 
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RE: Bwia To Help Airlift To Tobago

Mon Jul 16, 2001 11:20 pm

BWIA330 wrote:
If Monarch flies to POS or TAB, do you all think BWIA will need to do this route to MAN?
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In a word, no.
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RE: Bwia To Help Airlift To Tobago

Tue Jul 17, 2001 2:18 pm

If Monarch actually comes it is very likely to fly to TAB - POS simply does not have a consistent tourist market which could justify the charter flights. If it comes from MAN then it would have effectively pre-empted BWIA although the latter may still try to fly the route. The equipment issue that I raised earlier is all the more glaring though if BWIA is actually to fly the route.

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RE: Bwia To Help Airlift To Tobago

Sat Jul 21, 2001 6:13 am

i think the Monarch deal will come through because the airline is planning to start the GND route... replacing JMC previous service..
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RE: Bwia To Help Airlift To Tobago

Sat Jul 21, 2001 6:32 pm

jmc pulled GND too? If that is the case then clearly the situation behind pulling the routes was the retirement of its DC10s.

Monarch's arrival would be good for the islands and would offer them a lifeline but it would not help BWIA in any way.

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RE: Bwia To Help Airlift To Tobago

Sun Jul 22, 2001 8:25 am

Acutally JMC ended service to all caribbean islands if i am correct. The reason was that they are phasing out the DC-10. They are replacing them with A330 I think but for use on charter whitin Europe ad other eastern countries since that would be more profitable
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