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Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 2:47 pm

What is your opinion regarding this?
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 2:57 pm

I dress according to my standards, not the airline's standards, not the flight attendents' standards, not the other passengers' standards. I don't care if I'm the odd one out wearing baggy jeans and a basketball jersey. Already pay 3x the normal price for first class anyways.
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 3:09 pm

Should be unsmelley.....You bought a bigger seat and a meal.....nothing else.

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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 3:16 pm

I often fly F/C out of PHX to Vegas or LAX for pleasure and always go in Shorts and a t. If I pay for the seat I wear what i want. Of course UNsmelly is a requirement!
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 3:21 pm

As for attire, to each his own.  Insane

Me? On the few occasions I fly first class, I wear business/casual attire if it's a daytime flight. For a night flight - something more comfortable, but never jeans or athletic shoes: I save those for the destination.

I think choosing attire depends on the area of the world you're flying in. In the Caribbean, it's too hot for wool suits and wingtips. Unless you're on a transatlantic flight from Barbados, you can usually get away with a collared shirt, nice pair of shorts and some leather sandals -- it seems to be the uniform choice, even in first class. In coach, you'll find a few people still in their bathing suits and cut-offs, with white sand stuck in their little beach braids!

I think etiquette standards should be applied equally to all classes. I don't like loud or intrusive seat mates in either cabin. Bottom line: They can dress appalingly, but if they smell okay and keep a low profile, no problem.
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 3:23 pm

Come off it! LOL you have to look posh or the airline might not let you sit with the "chosen people"!
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 4:10 pm

This may sound stupid to some, but when I fly First Class I usually just where a plain white T-Shirt and Basketball Shorts. It's always fun to go first class and when the airline people think you're dirty and rude or something by your clothing, but you're really polite, sophisticated, and flying First Class. It's funny to see how other people are so judgemental by appearance, especially when there are snobby people in First Class.
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 5:29 pm

IMHO people have the right to chose what they want to wear. Some of the times I travelled in First Class I was wearing a t-shirt and shorts and I was very well treated. However, I think dressing well when you´re travelling in First gives you some status.
I think people must not be judged by their clothes but by their attitudes.

Manel


 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 9:24 pm

You can usually tell the staff passengers in First/Business, they are the only ones wearing suits!  Smile
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 9:30 pm

You can always dress the way you like. But has anyone ever been treated differently in FC because he/ she was dressed casually?

Good Day!
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 9:36 pm

Greetings,

Usually when I travel, whether first or coach, on the outbound flight I wear dockers and a short sleeve shirt (I travel to warm destinations). On the return usually shorts, shoes and a shirt. Usually everything is cotton, so just in case there is a fire, I would rather have the cotton burn away than have the nylon, rayon, or what ever stick to me.

Also, people in first aren't always snobs........I am not a snob.............I just do upgrades for the leg room.(LOL)
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 9:57 pm

I usually wear a suit if it's a work day; or chinos and blazer if it's the weekend. I do, however, find that the first class product has been completely eroded, particularly in the States. At a rough guess, I'd say that 90% of pax flying up front are non revs, FFP upgrades and FFP mileage awards. In addition on some carriers, you no longer get the standard of catering that used to be provided - so all you're effectively getting is a bigger seat with more legroom. That's not first class - that's Premium Economy!
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 10:02 pm

I'm glad to see society has evolved from the rules of
the 1950s. You're a paying passenger, not a
houseguest at a fancy party. Of course, you
shouldn't annoy others, and rules like being
"unsmell(e)y" ( Big grin ) should be observed.
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 10:41 pm

Then there was the day 3 of us were travelling in Row 1 dressed in light casual attire around 5.00pm on a busy weekday with the aircraft filling up with "Suits". We were all on full-fare premium class tickets.

A snobby businessman in a suit sits next to my mate and says "Are you sure you're in the right seat ???", he replies "Yeh, are you sure YOU are supposed to be sitting next to ME". Cracked us up !!!

Its been my experiance that the worst dressed are sometimes the wealthiest. How many times have you seen film stars in baseball caps & sunglasses ?????.

And yes, staff travellers stick out like sore thumbs !!!
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 10:48 pm

Everyone has the "right" to wear what they want. You should note you have some responsibility to note your enviornment and dress accordingly. In the summer time, on weekends, I think dress shorts and a nice polo are fine. During the week I wear lite cotton dockers and a nice polo or nice casual button down collar shirt.

In cooler times of the year, usually black or blue dockers, button down collar nice casual or relaxed dress(business casual) shirt. Only on the summer weekends would I wear nice tennis shoes. Other times one of my pair of Rockports, or dress shoes.

Remember, like it or not, you are judged on your appearance. IMO,One should be freshly showered, and have a bit of nice fragrance on (if u use it).
You never can tell who you might end up sitting next to. Over the years I have had the pleasure of sitting next to Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, Actor James Garner, some actress from the stage in NY(don't remember her name, nice attractive woman tho). You might end up sitting next to someone that can offer you the "perfect job" or your meet you new wife/husband.
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 11:27 pm

I think everyone makes judgements based on appearance, it's inevitable. While I usually don't fly first class, I had this conversation with a co-worker yesterday. I agree with most people: if you're paying the money (and even if you're not), you have the right to wear whatever you want. Obviously, this is within reasonable limits. Just to illustrate the point that looks can be deceiving: I walked into the office yesterday and met the owner of the company. Had I seen him walking down the street, I would have dismissed him as a homeless person. His clothes looked gross! I think this was an extreme as he should NOT have been dressed in those clothes. I think his white t-shirt was yellow...
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 11:35 pm

The way you are dressed definitely influences gate agents when it comes time to "bump" people into business class when coach is overbooked. A very good friend of mine who worked for AA told me that the nicer your attire, the better your chances are of being offered an upgrade.

This tip paid off for me on a full flight from LGW to DFW. My friend had told me that coach was almost always overbooked on this flight and that if I was interested in an upgrade that I should wear a sport coat, tie and decent looking shoes and identify myself to the gate agent as being interested in an upgrade to business class if coach was overbooked.

Sure enough, I was one of eight coach pax offered a seat in business class that day. Every one that was offered this upgrade was dressed in what was considered to be business or business casual attire.

On the other hand, I was bumped up to first class on an Eastern Airlines flight back when I was a poor but honest, jeans and sneakers wearing college student, just because I was willing to cooperate. Our 722 had been held for about 20 minutes past scheduled departure for a dozen or so connecting pax. When they finally boarded, the FA's discovered that 3 of the connecting pax had been issued the same seat assignments as pax who had already boarded. There wasn't a seat left in coach and two guys were making a stink because they were supposed to sit together. Everyone else was ready to go and things were really starting to get ugly when I told the FA who was trying to settle things that I would gladly move my seat if it would help. She smiled and thanked me, asked me to get my carry on and then proceeded to usher me up to first class where I was treated like royalty. I was seated next to a high powered business type who gave me the once over and then went back to his Wall Street Journal. The guy never said a word to me during the entire flight. I wasn't smelly or obnoxious, but I think he resented the fact that I was obviously sitting somewhere he didn't think I belonged.

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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 11:39 pm

I really said "especially when there are snobby people in First Class". But, now that I think of it, I never really see snobs there. I've never been treated badly by a F/A because I was dressed differently, but I have seen other pax in First Class looking at me funny as if I must be a coach passenger wearing what I was. Usually the people with suits on are business travellers.
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 11:52 pm

I always wear a bow-tie, regardless. If ever you notice a fellow rushing around an airport (or anywhere, for that matter) it is probably me.

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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 11:53 pm

Wearing t-shirts and all is up to you but if you are travelling internationally and are dressed sloppily then be prepared to spend a lot longer in immigration. Especially if you are heading to Asia.
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Fri Jul 13, 2001 11:58 pm

You can always tell a non-rev in First Class on a longhaul because they board in a suit, change into casual clothes as soon as you are airborne and always shave before landing!
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Sat Jul 14, 2001 12:50 am

My mum used to work in SQ and when we took First Class, no jeans were allowed. No T shirts or sport shoes either. I never wore blue jeans but always got through with black, green, beige, etc jeans and a short-sleeved casual shirt, tucked out. With walking shoes. Well i was 17 then. My dad usually wore a shirt and pants. Nothing fancy. No suits or anything like that required. And as staff passengers, we were not supposed to tell other passengers we were staff passengers. I really miss those first class days......for 17 years of my life....*sob* The great thing is, we were never bumped off a flight for all those 17 years. except a KUL-SIN one, but there was another flight in like, 30 mins or something so it doesn't really count does it....OK...I'm digressing. that's all.
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Sat Jul 14, 2001 12:51 am

We got upgraded to first class once due to the fact we were flying full fare business class on ORD-ZRH(this was 1999) and because of that, we got an automatic upgrade on the DFW-ORD leg(this was a few weeks before our flight). I wore addidas sweat pants and a one-pocket tee. Whether because I am a kid or not, no one looked at me funny. My mom wore khaki pants and a white tshirt while my dad wore khaki pants and a button down, while my bro(us330) wore jeans and a t-shirt and no one looked at us funny at all. Oddly enough, there really wasn't any business people in first class at all. We had an early flight so that may be why.
And in business, there was a few business people(probably swiss bank people) but no one was really dressed up. Mostly khakis,blazer and buttondown. What was funny was on the return from switzerland(GVA-LGW) everybody was dressed and everybody had American accents. And everybody was connecting at LGW to go back to the states. The people sitting in front of us were going back to houston(overheard conversation) on LGW-DFW in business, there was some business people, but there were a LOT of kids.
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Sat Jul 14, 2001 1:05 am

Ettiquette should be treating everyone with respect, whether you are an FA, PAX in coach, BC or FC. Dress should be whatever you want. First class is just a bigger seat anymore. There's really nothing classy about it.

If we were back in the golden age of aviation I would dress up, but let's face it... Flying ain't what it used to be...
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Sat Jul 14, 2001 1:26 am

Airlines advertise about how much more comfortable their first class is than any other airline. If first class is about comfort, people should be able to wear what feels most comfortable to them.
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Sat Jul 14, 2001 4:36 am

I want to add on to my original post.

People shouldn't be judged by what they wear. In first class, that guy with a pair of jeans and black t-shirt with a hat and sunglasses could be a famous actor or somebody like that. The way I see it is you should wear what's comfortable, not what's dressy. Now, I wouldn't wear a pair of athletic shorts with an undershirt in first(and probably in coach). Anyway, I hope you get my point.
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Mon Jul 16, 2001 2:43 pm

Thanks to all, anyone else?
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Tue Jul 17, 2001 2:18 am

No problems with US airliners..but get this:
BA had an issue with me once....had me turn around at the ticket counter like they were checking me out. I was in jeans and a polo-like shirt and tennis shoes. All clean. I pulled out my Platinum card and my business card (showing I'm an attorney) and placed them on the counter. Asked them if they had any further questions.
They didn't.

But it was pretty strange, cause neither CX, UAor SQ has had a problem with my attire. Although in most cases I'm in biz class not first....
 
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RE: Ceilidh

Tue Jul 17, 2001 4:05 am

From a non-rev's perspective, I can promise you that 90% of the people in first class are actually paying passengers. I've taken 2 trips to CDG on AA within the last 2 months and both times, first class and business class were completely full-fare passengers. The majority of the flights that get filled with non-revs in first are generally not major business destinations. Ex: DFW-ORD always fills up while DFW-DSM doesn't!
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Tue Jul 17, 2001 4:28 am

Of all the times I flew non-rev on Delta, very rarely did I see anyone that was wearing less than business casual in Business Class. Bear in mind that many of the destinations I was flying to were "business" cities (Boston, Washington D.C., New York), so many passengers in the front dressed somewhat nice. The only time I ever saw some pax up front that weren't dressed in business casual was on a flight back from Boston. It was on a Saturday night, so I really didn't expect seeing folks dressed up nicely. As for the comment that you can tell the non-revs up in first class (or business class depending upon the airline) by the fact they're wearing suits, that statement really doesn't hold much truth these days. Most airlines have loosened dress code requirements for non-revs, meaning that they don't have to get decked out in a monkeysuit in order to fly to go see their Aunt Hilda in Topeka. When I worked for AirTran, the business class paxs for the most part fit the description most of these post have described the typical business (or first) class passenger, jeans and a t-shirt. I always wear a nice pair of pants (usually Dockers type) and depending on the time of the year, either a polo type shirt or a dress shirt and a sweater. I did on occasion put on a shirt and tie, but stopped doing that after I was mistaken for a Congressional staffer one day when I was up in Washington. As for ettiquette, I am always very polite to the cabin staff when I travel. I have seen some rude people, but for the most part, the business class cabin has always been a quiet refuge, with most of the passengers zoned out with their PTVs and looking out at the scenery. I've had cabin staff forget about my drink order, but I don't go pushing the call button every five minutes to get their attention like some folks will do. I feel that regardless of how much you paid for your ticket in business class, just as long as you act politely and not cause any problems, you could be wearing your swim trunks for all I care. As for celebrities I have seen on any of my business class travels, the most famous people I have been on a flight with were two members of my state's Congressional delegation on a ATL-DCA flight.
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Tue Jul 17, 2001 4:43 am

"did anyone get treated differently because they dressed casually"?
Yes. My father flew 1st class with KLM several times (usually upgraded from business class). He always dressed casually (he knows better than to dress in a 3 peice suit for a 12 hour flight). Usually the FAs would ignore him and any other pax not wearing suit and tie. This went so far they sometimes had to get their own food and drinks from business class to get anything at all.
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Tue Jul 17, 2001 5:05 am

Flying out to SFO from ORD one time on a 742, There was not one decked out traveller, or maybe one or two. On this flight, I wore a t-shirt, denim shorts, and sandals. At the time, I was 16, and with my buzz cut at the time I was offered wine! Is this normal?
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Tue Jul 17, 2001 7:44 am

just would like to say.... remember, FA always knows WHO YOU ARE (from pax manifest). i mean they know if you full-fare paying, discounted, upgraded or non-rev at all. don't try to play silly games wearing suit if you are non-rev... it will not help you in most cases.
also I should say that most of full fare paying pax (who are most welcome) wearing suit. usually it is just a simple relation between your job and ability to pay full first-class fare (yourself or paid by your company).

 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Tue Jul 17, 2001 10:50 am

If my parents are nice enough to buy me a f/c class ticket, i will dress up. I usually wear some jeans, my fav Tommy 485's, with Dr Marten boots and usually a small fitting button up shirt. It looks good, so i wear it. Though there are those times i have been seein in f/c with some black dress pants and a shirt and tie, but those times are rare. If i am in coach, come cargo shorts, and A&F grapic tee, and some birkenstocks will do.
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Tue Jul 17, 2001 11:35 am

Well as a kid I was made to wear a suit and tie in first class...Now I just wear shorts amd a t shirt.

I hate wearind suits when I go to work I'm sure as Heck not wearing a suit when I travel
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Tue Jul 17, 2001 11:47 am

IMHO, when I fly first, I use that as my opportunity to wear some clothes that tend to find themselves in the corners of my closet. This happens because I dont' get to wear them often.

Remember, it's not what you wear, but how you wear it and how you present yourself. I was travelling with my boss once, and my luggage went to MCI instead of LGA. My boss met me at our office in NYC prior to going to the client. I showed up wearing khaki chinos and a v-neck white t-shirt. Granted, I had on good casual shoes and I present myself quite well. My boss looked at me and said 'You're the only person I know who can show up in a T-shirt and make it look good.'

When I fly first or biz, especially when flying to Europe, I wrinkle-free linen trousers and a silky or satiny t-shirt. I like clothes that help me present myself well.

Part of how I dress has something to do with my consulting work. I detest wearing a tie. I wear one on first contact with a customer. If that. After that, I go in doing what my boss called "dressy casual" and by presenting an air of confidence without being cocky, I look good.

Remember a few rules:

1. Black travels VERY well.
2. Mock turtlenecks fall somewhere between dressy and casual. Quite often, they're the perfect clothes.
3. Tell the dry cleaners to FOLD, NOT HANG!
4. 100% cotton or 100% linen, or 100% anything shows wrinkles. BLENDS ARE GOOD!
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Tue Jul 17, 2001 12:01 pm

Yea i am 15 and i fly between first and coach split 50/50 and a lot of the time i am offered wine in first class. Being 15 i dont think i look even close to 21. SO im wondering will they serve me wine or do they ask everyone and if you say yes do they check ID? Ive never tried because i never know who is sitting beside me.
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Tue Jul 17, 2001 12:11 pm

Well, im 17 (and look it), and when i travel first with my parents, i can usually order an alchohalic (sp?) drink, and they dont quesiton it. Its probably just b/c i am with an adult. When I travel first alone, i dont even attempt to order it.
 
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Cla

Tue Jul 17, 2001 2:08 pm

I think domestic first class & international first class are slightly different, most airlines on longhaul flights require you to be in at least a smart-casual shirt and trousers
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RE: Dress And Appropriate Ettiquette For First Class

Tue Jul 17, 2001 2:12 pm

cowboy boots and a smile.
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