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Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 12:49 am

Something I wonder for a while..
Is there any reason why all airlines put their First class and Business class in the front of the aircraft??
 
docpepz
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 12:52 am

That's because of noise. It's usually less noisy in front or on the upper deck.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 12:53 am

I think it has something to do with getting on and off the aircraft very fast.  Smile
you are always the first to leave the A/C and that is most of the time preferable.

also the turbulence is much greater in the rear of the A/C. it often happens that the pilots do not notice any turbulence but the people in the back do.

those are just a few reasons i think.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 12:56 am

1. So they don't have to walk as far as us plebs !!!

2. So they can watch us envying them as we walk past !!!

You would think though that they would put 'em around CoG for the smoother ride.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 12:56 am

to piss off the coach passengers  Smile
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 1:01 am

I would say it's a combinaton of factors.
Noise, less walking on and off the plane, close to a galley...

Also by making everyone walk through / past it, they may get the other passengers to buy a F ticket on their next trip. A marketing thing.
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 1:12 am

On a DC-9 and it's long line of derivatives,
the first row of coach offers just as much leg
room as 1st class, and the same noise level.
I fly in those seats all the time and pay much
less than 1st.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 1:18 am

The noise and what Gunfighter 6 said.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 2:24 am

What about Southwest? They have an all First Class configuration which stretches from the front of the aircraft to the back. So do the pax that sit at the back of the aircraft get mad? After all, they paid a lot for those First Class tickets.
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 2:26 am

There's something demoralizing about sitting in the back
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 2:40 am

They do it so the first class passengers get to the destination airport ahead of everyone else. Smile
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 3:26 am

Also, fresh (or at least, cleaned) air come from the front of the aircraft and is take back by the filtering system at the rear.

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tupolev154b2
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 3:27 am

Well on widebodies Coach passengers often don't see the First Class seats as they often board directly into coach...
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 3:35 am

Back in the prop days (1950s), coach seating on mixed-class flights was in the front of the aircraft. However, the main boarding door was also in the rear. Oddly
enough, the first class section was larger than the coach section in those days.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 3:47 am

Pecking order?
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 3:54 am

Yah, Southwest and their All "First Class." With those seats, it's no wonder why they don't use that old "The Company Jet" Slogan aymore.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 8:10 am

So the rich people die first in a nose dive.
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 12:46 pm

If 1st class was in rear they would be looking at us poor people up front instead of viseversal.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 12:59 pm

Trust me, if there's some good turbulence..the front feels it, too. And, not all of those people in first are rich, a lot of them have tickets paid for by their company, "free" earned upgrades, and many are airline employees on stand-by! Like me, lookin at all you paying customers pass me by, while I'm livin' large up front for FREE!
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 2:42 pm

I think it is tradition. Im not being rasict but at around the same time planes were being designed for real comercial use blacks were still sitting in the back of the bus. Even having nothing to do with race i think it is a status thing to be sitting in the front instead of the back. Now today it is not anyhting like that but since the interiors were designed back in those days it has just kind of stuck. Also this is a small detail but some passengers dont want to sit in back because they think it is "stuffy" and this is usually not true but the airline dosnt care about what is true and not it cares about what might intice first class passengers to pay money to sit up front.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 2:57 pm

ILOVEA340-

Demoralizing? That's interesting that you would say that, however this may not be the case if the plane were to crash being that the back is the safest place to sit. I'm sure there are lots of people who might have survived a plane crashed if they had been sitting in the back, rather than first class. I guess my question instead would be why are they charging more for people to sit in the most dangerous section of the aircraft?
 
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Sxmarbury

Sat Jul 14, 2001 3:19 pm

I understand what you are saying... but look at it this way. Its the back. In the south in the 50's colored had to sit in the back of busses for example. it was demoralizing. The back of something is maily attributed as the poor or not as good part.
 
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Sat Jul 14, 2001 3:22 pm

my last statement was to climbout not Sxmarbury
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 9:18 pm

If an aircraft went down nose first, wouldn't they technically die first?
On a more serious note, probably so they could be more superior than Economy passengers with less noise and turbulence.
The day of the Titanic still has not changed.

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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 11:29 pm

ILOVEA340,

Very good points. Sitting in the back of something has always been demoralizing for the very reasons that you mentioned. But regarding an airliner, it's just ironic that On one hand, people sitting in the first class are getting better treatment, food, ect...but on the other hand they have a greater chance of perishing in a crash than the folks sitting in the back.

This is a very good topic.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sun Jul 15, 2001 12:05 am

I agree with B747-436B. So they die first in a nose dive. Just like the USAir accident where some people in the very back lived and all in the front DIED...  Sad I think they should move the cockpit to the back on a hump in front of the tail.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sun Jul 15, 2001 9:55 am

But a lot of people in first class survived while a lot of coach passengers died in that delta L1011 that encountered the microburst in DFW. I dont think that it makes much of a differance in most plane crahses its mostly all or none type of deal.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sun Jul 15, 2001 9:57 am

Its because if and when an aircraft takes a nosedive, the First Class passengers get a quick and painless death, and are creamated for free.
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sun Jul 15, 2001 11:43 am

Would you like to pay all that money to sit all the way in the back? I wouldn't think so. First Class people also get their own boarding path so they go to the very front door, while economy class people use the 2nd or third door to embark. This way the people in first class wouldn't be disturbed by the masses. They also get all the alcohol beverage in flight for free.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sun Jul 15, 2001 11:50 am

At most airports FC don't get their own door...
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sun Jul 15, 2001 4:03 pm

But they can disembark before other passengers
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sun Jul 15, 2001 4:07 pm

It is mostly for noise.

On jets the front of the aircraft it usually the quietest.

On props the front of the airplane is being pummelled by the vibrations and voticies from the props so it is quite a bit noiser in the front then the back. That is why on older prop airplanes such as the DC-6,DC-7, L-188 the first class section was usually in the rear of the aircraft.
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sun Jul 15, 2001 4:14 pm

It may have to do with tradition but Aeroflot I think had its first class cabin in the rear during the Soviet days. In the event of a crash, no one seat is invariably safer - there are so many factors involved with any accident that the outcome may differ radically from what anybody predicts.

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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sun Jul 15, 2001 5:23 pm

I believe the black box is located somewhere beneath the wings (correct me if I am wrong) because statistically that should be the safest place of the aircraft (so the box won't get damaged very much). So it is not the case that the front of the aircraft is the unsafest and the back the safest.
If an aircraft lands the back end reaches the ground first and lateron the front of the aircraft touches down. Therefore during a crash while landing the bakc would be hit first and hardest.

That also should mean it doesn't matter why FC and BC are located in the front.
 
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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Sun Jul 15, 2001 10:55 pm

Nope all of the black boxes I have ever seen where in the tail.

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RE: Why Is 1stClass In The Front Of An Aircraft?

Mon Jul 16, 2001 1:11 am

I think there are a few reasons why first class is in the front:

1. First of all, they want everybody to have to go by the 1st class cabin so that all the coach class people will want to pay more to sit there.

2. The airlines want the higher paying customers to sit closer to the entrance/exit so they will not have to go as far.

3. It is less noisy in the front because the engines are either on the wings or the very back.

I hope this answers your question!

NGR  Smile