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Aero California - Condition?

Sat Jul 14, 2001 6:51 pm

What's the current financial condition of Aero California? Are they likely to remain in business as an independent entity in the longer term? Any chance of a fleet renewal? They're still flying some rather old DC-9s... I remember hearing rumors that they might try to purchase some second-hand MD-87s. Will this come to anything?

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RE: Aero California - Condition?

Sun Jul 15, 2001 6:02 pm

Where are our experts on Mexican aviation?
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RE: Aero California - Condition?

Mon Jul 16, 2001 5:48 am

Aerocalifornia....well without an inside scoop it's hard to know how they are doing financially, but from observation and such, it is clear that since it's foundation, there has been a moderate, yet very constant rate of growth, while they haven't gotten that big in the US, they have had considerable growth in the domestic market, with the demise of Taesa they ventured into the southeast market, now AeroCalifornia flies to such destinations as Merida, Oaxaca, Veracruz and Villahermosa, not very california-ish  Smile

Fleet renewal... I think that is a sore spot ! however all the recent aquisitions are newer DC-9-30's, but they seem to compliment, and not replace the older planes, about a year ago I got to sit in the cockpit during an AGS-MEX flight and the copilot mentioned that hte airline had looked into the 717, but they were not in conditions to invest in a fleet renewal, after all... they have 22 planes so somehow I doubt that they renewing their fleet anytime soon.. from what I hear, they use the extra planes they got as replacements in order to increase reliability, as that used to be a big problem for them, as well as delays, however the last times I have flown them I have been pleasantly surprised ! on time departures and arrivals.

Only thing that has taken a turn for the worst is definitley... FOOD ! they used to serve hot meals and have choices even a year ago, on flights as short as 1.5 hours, but now, they only give you a sandwich, even on a 3 hour flight, gasp ! but well you can easily solve that taking some snaks if you're hte hungry type (like me).

But apart from the food I like AeroCalifornia, flight attendants are nice, and flying on those old planes is very fun ! legroom seems good, especially on the DC-9-30s.

They used to have codeshares with AA, I don't know if they still do, but most small mexican airlines seem to be "single" I seem to remember Aviacsa having ties to Grupo TACA though...
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RE: Aero California - Condition?

Mon Jul 16, 2001 9:20 am

Lindy field

AeroCalifornia is a family owned company founded by Raul Arechiga and the Arechiga family. They started flying some really old DC3´s if I remember correclty from La Paz, Mexico (LAP) to Loreto and Tijuana. Then they continue with expansion plans and got the DC9-14´s, which were very good aircraft some 12 - 15 years ago.

Today, newspapers and airline competitors have reported that AeroCalifornias situation is quite bad. AeroCalifornia started a major sale a month ago (lasted two weeks) lowering their fares up to 50% for every flight on their route network from June till February 02. That was a sign of the situation they are leaving. The airports are claiming that AeroCalifornia has a big debt (some $60 million USD) on landing fees and jet A. And Mexicana´s CEO Fernando Flores as president of the CANAERO stated that they were going to become a TAESA soon.

What many people don´t see is that Mexicana and AeroMexico were the cause of AeroCalifornia situation. And I´m not saying that this happend because they started a fearcefull war on ticket prices or something like that. But AM and MX belong to the government and all the debt they had was taken by the government and all the tax payers like me are paying for MX and AM bad management. AeroCalifornia has been fighting for their rights for almost 15 years and they haven´t received something from the government. Four years ago, American Airlines aproached AeroCalifornia to start a code sharing agreement that could have ended in an adquisition of the airlines if it would have worked. In those times AM and MX were recovering of a major crisis helped by our beloved government. And AeroCalifornia instead of receiving help from the governmen was kick in the but. They applied for the Mexico City - Dallas Forth Worth route to start feeding both American and AeroCalifornias route network and the government denied the permission, claiming that both AeroMexico and Mexicana had the route granted (although Mexicana hasn´t flown the route for 8 or more years) and only two mexican carriers can have a US to Mexico route granted.
This is a very large topic that has many bad movements by the government and by AeroMexico and Mexicana which control almost 80% of the market and are state owned. So in Mexico it is quite difficult to be succesfull if you don´t have the government on your side. And this is the case of AeroCalifornia, which I think will end in hands of the big major US carrier that looses the battle for AeroMexico and Mexicana (United, Delta and American)

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RE: Aero California - Condition?

Mon Jul 16, 2001 12:01 pm

That was interesting ROJO. I flew on Aero California from LAX to Loreto. Its a real fun airport to land and take-off from. The runway is a bit short and it is kind of a gear up to keep em out of the water till you get to flyin speed kinda place!!

They were really quite good and I enjoyed them

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RE: Aero California - Condition?

Mon Jul 16, 2001 8:28 pm

It's nice to read so many positive reports about Aero California. I hope that the airline will continue to prosper in the future, as the Mexican aviation market begins to change. Could anyone list the numbers of their different fleet types and routes? Thanks.

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