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Boeing 767-424/432

Sun Jul 15, 2001 12:09 am

Are Delta and Continental the only Operators of the Boeing 767-400. What is going on here. As far as I know only 2 airlines have launched it. Any comments?
 
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RE: Boeing 767-424/432

Sun Jul 15, 2001 11:49 pm

Kenya Airways placed an order for three, 767-400ER aircraft on September 12, 2000; none have been delivered.
 
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RE: Boeing 767-424/432

Mon Jul 16, 2001 1:01 am

Well still, I do not think that is enough to keep the 764 in production. I guess airlines like the 777 better
 
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RE: Boeing 767-424/432

Mon Jul 16, 2001 1:04 am

Everybody prefers the smaller 767-300ER and larger powerful 777-200ER for their international routes.
 
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RE: Boeing 767-424/432

Mon Jul 16, 2001 1:15 am

So if I am not mistaking, the 764 will be over real soon?
 
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RE: Boeing 767-424/432

Mon Jul 16, 2001 1:17 am

Delta is using their 767s for transcontinental routes such as atlanta to L.A. and other routes like honolulu. They're great for transcontinental and Honolulu flights because they have PTV's and their First and Coach class seats are better than usual. They are alot like a smaller version of the 777...I would think that United would be interested unless they think that they already have too many.
 
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RE: Boeing 767-424/432

Mon Jul 16, 2001 1:56 am

You never know what may happen to the 764. After all, sales for the 753 were slow until ATA, CO and NW ordered them in quite large #'s.
 
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RE: Boeing 767-424/432

Mon Jul 16, 2001 8:48 am

The 764 will gain in popularity at some point in the near future - in the current market, the 777 is getting most of the attention from Boeing customers, the 763 is very popular and airlines seem to be unwilling to introduce the 764 in small numbers so they keep buying more 763s, and the world economy is not the best plus airlines are facing increased fuel and crew costs, so they are not in the position to purchase large number of new aircraft.

When airlines start thinking about replacing their 762s and early 763s (and A300s), which were built in the early to mid-80s, I think that they will take a serious look at the 764. Its a matter of timing, even the oldest 767 has at least another 5 to 10 years of flying left with the major airlines, so it is not time to think about replacement yet. Also, big airlines do not like to order 5 or 10 examples of a type, its expensive and not flexible, but when AA, as an example, begins thinking about replacing its 762 and A300s in a few years time, they will give the 764 a close look.
 
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RE: Boeing 767-424/432

Mon Jul 16, 2001 9:15 am

Boeing must have know that the 764 would be quite similar to the 777. I agree with Tuplov154B2, but so far at his point and time you can say the 764 production has been quite a large flop! Who knows right now UA could be talking to Boeing about a big deal, and AN will need to look closely for new a/c.

Sam
 
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RE: Boeing 767-424/432

Mon Jul 16, 2001 10:19 am

I have to agree with Tupolev154B2, small orders in the beginning. Like the 753, I believe in time the 764 orders will begin to take off.

Just wanted to welcome myself to this forum and hope to have a great time here.

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RE: Boeing 767-424/432

Mon Jul 16, 2001 1:40 pm

I think Boeing will probably add some new feature to the 764 to help sales takeoff. Right now, the 717 is doing better than the 767-400. So, Buy a 764 and get another 764 for half price. I think the 764 is the best of the 767 series aircraft. I like the updated flight deck, anyone can be type rated on the 767/757-200/300, and 767-400/777/744
 
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RE: Boeing 767-424/432

Tue Jul 17, 2001 4:43 am

I think you can be type rated in the 757-200/300 AND 767-200/300/400.

The 767-400 is a new aircraft-1997 or so-(even though the design is 20 years old). Airlines are still getting 777 deliveries from 1996/1997 orders.

As for the 767-300ER, they are replacements for current 767-200/300s (at least in the case of TWA'A).

As compared to the 717, which was launched in 1995 has more orders becuase it has been around longer.
 
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RE: Boeing 767-424/432

Tue Jul 17, 2001 5:19 am

I can see advantages and disadvantages for an airline deciding between the 767-400 and 777-200. With the 76, an airline can have nearly the same passeneger capacity and similar range capabilities while saving millions over the 777. Of course, the 777 benefits from newer technology (although some is shared with new 767's) and an entirely new platform. Are the 777's engines more efficient? If so, it may negate the initial $$ savings when chosing a 767-400.

Basically, I am not sure which aircraft is the better option...though I am suprised Boeing went ahead with the 764 if the 772 actually debuted first. I wonder if Boeing could have created a shrunken 777-100 at similar costs for developing the 767-400?

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RE: Boeing 767-424/432

Tue Jul 17, 2001 5:34 am

The 764 killer is the 332. The 332 has won each and every battle with the 764.
While the 764 has many small details updated compared to the earlier and smaller 767, and being a strech is a boon to its economics, still carries the same, essentially, wing of the original 762.

"It's the wings, baby!"

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