DeltaBoy777
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MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Tue Jul 17, 2001 8:22 am

If you could choose which plane would you rather fly on a MD-11 or L1011?? L1011 is almost completely gone from Delta, and there is talks of phasing out MD-11's. I personally think the L1011 is cooler than the MD-11. The design of the Tri-Star looks better.
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Tue Jul 17, 2001 8:34 am

I think the MD-11 is the better plane. If the L-1011 were better than the DC-10, then why didn't it get converted like the DC-10 did to a better plane (MD-11)? Don't answer this by saying the L-1011 is better, because I work with both and the L-1011s ALWAYS need work and the DC-10s don't. The reason why the DC-10 was converted to the MD-11 (I imagine), is because MDC knew they had a great jet and wanted to keep it around as long as possible. What plane did Boeing aim at replacing when they were building the 777? The DC-10, not because it sucks (as some of you might say), but because the time and need had come for a better plane to emerge.
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Tue Jul 17, 2001 8:56 am

The L-1011 is a better engineered aircraft than the MD-11. The systems in the L-1011 were far ahead of their time which is why it stayed in service far so long. The MD-11 is a modern state of the art CORRECTED COPY of the DC-10 with systems that it lacked when it came into service in the early 1970s such as one-way check valves in the hydraulic lines and a slat locking system.
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Tue Jul 17, 2001 8:57 am

Well if you can't start an Airbus vs. Boeing fight, why not start a Douglas vs. Lockheed fight!  Laugh out loud

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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Tue Jul 17, 2001 10:34 am

I think that the MD-11 is the better aircraft.


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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Tue Jul 17, 2001 11:49 am

MD-11 flies so great...great pax plane...if only they could redesign it to be more money efficient and safer *sigh. Anyways, I like newer planes, and the MD-11 flies great, so my vote is for the MD-11.
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Tue Jul 17, 2001 12:21 pm

what do you mean by safer??? The only problem w/ the MD11 that I can think of off the top of my head is that it tends to be easy to tailstrike. Anyhow, I think these aircraft can't really be compared. They were made for different generations when there was different technology. I think they would have made an updated version of the L1011 if they hadn't almost gone bankrupt over the program, lol
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Tue Jul 17, 2001 1:04 pm

The MD-11 has had wiring problems which have caused fires on numerous occasions, and has been reportedly harder to pilot because it's rudders were too small for such a large plane, giving it a fighter jet feel. As I recall, there was an Incident with the MD-11 when a pilot could not recover correctly and almost couldn't recover at all after moderate to severe turbulence due to the design flaw mentioned.
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Tue Jul 17, 2001 1:27 pm

Does anyone know how high the ceilings are on these aircraft? I've always liked how the L1011's ceiling is so high, but I have never been on a DC10 or MD11 to compare. For ceiling, I actually mean the top of the aircraft from the cabin level, not maximum flight level.
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Tue Jul 17, 2001 1:59 pm

JAL,

You NEVER give reasons to back up your opinions. WHY is the MD-11 a better plane? Just putting a picture of a JAL MD-11 DOES NOT, repeat DOES NOT mean that you've given your reasons.

DeltaOwnsAll,

You say the plane flies great and yet you say that the airliner handles like a fighter pilot. Correct me if I'm wrong but a 200+ ton airliner ought NOT to fly like an F-15. Sure, it might be great for a former Air Force pilot who joins an airline, but it's not great for the pax behind him who are wondering about the twitchy movements the pilot is wrestling with.


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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:08 pm

I love MD-11 more. just a feeling. Pls don't ask me to back up my choice with reasons. My feeling is totally biased.

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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:34 pm

I like the MD-11 better mainly for aesthetic (appearance) reasons. And I'm sure alot of aviation fans also like a given aircraft based on it's appearance as well.

The MD-11 is not as economical as the L-1011. The -11 is a fuel guzzler no doubt about it. This costs the airlines money, therefore redering the MD-11 rather uneconomical. Which is why it was never as successful as McDonnell-Douglas had hoped and why Boeing gave it the axe.

But I do love the MD, and compare the flight deck as well. The MD-11s is so nice and I'd SO love to be the pilot-in-command of that bird!!!

However, the L-1011 is still a beautiful aircraft!!!!  Big thumbs up
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Do compare their cockpits though. You have to admit, the MD-11 is quite a step up. Then again, the MD-11 is also newer....
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 3:04 am

I believe that if the Lockheed Company manufactured a new L1011 that it would be more advanced over the MD-11 most likely over the DC-10. In it's time the L1011 was king of the super jets and was used on many long-haul flight's. So if Airlines were worried about fuel economy why did they use them!!
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 3:08 am

Nice name you got there. hmm where'd you get it?
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think? AA767 Boy

Wed Jul 18, 2001 3:16 am

I didn't copy you.  Smile  Smile  Smile Good people think alike!!
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 3:23 am

True.  Smile
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 3:46 am

What I meant when I said that it flies great was that it is very smooth flying plane. It is just a little harder to fly/control in certain conditions...but it normal conditions it is very smooth.
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 4:13 am

Aloha,

What on Earth makes you think the L1011 burns less fuel than an MD-11? You have some bad numbers and are probably ignoring that the MD-11 can carry twice as much payload over twice as far!
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 5:57 am

Don't forget that out of all three, the DC10 is/was/always will be the best.
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 10:07 am

I like the md-11 the best, It look just spectacular.

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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 10:34 am

What DeltaOwnsAll means by safer is that the MD-11 has a fatality rate that is more than 2.5 times greater than the L1011.

For that matter, the MD-11's safety record is well below most other modern commerical jets.
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 11:37 am

TWA,

Not actually true, but the stats can be made to look that way. No different than the Concorde having the best safety record in the world until one day it had an accident and all of a sudden had the worst. The situation is no different.
 
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RE: Seagull

Wed Jul 18, 2001 5:27 pm

Well I don't exactly have the exact numbers. From what I have READ IN THE PAST, the MD-11 has a horrendous fuel-burn rate, which is what eventually killed it. I could be wrong though.

I've always heard that the L-1011 was overall more fuel efficient. However, what is the fuel capacity of the MD11?
I wonder if perhaps the L-1011 carries less fuel, but is more fuel efficient. And the MD-11 carries more fuel and is less fuel efficient. I dunno.

I do know I read it somewhere.....................??

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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 7:58 pm

L1011! Nothing compares to the look and especially the sound of a TriStar
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 10:53 pm

Seagull, I don't know how you could manipulate the figures to make it look any different.
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 11:05 pm

Uh .........What in the hell you talking about kid?
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Wed Jul 18, 2001 11:14 pm

Uh .........What in the hell you talking about kid?
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Thu Jul 19, 2001 2:05 am

The MD-11 is my darling, my darling my darling.
The MD-11 is my darling, the young MD-11!
Do re mi fa so la ti do!

But I'd still like to fly on an L1011. Both seem to be
real great, comfortable aircraft.
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Thu Jul 19, 2001 2:32 am

Hey,
This is quite an appropriate discussion for me cuz i was just thinking about it! I have been on an L1011 to Hawaii and it has been the most marvelous plane i have been on. Flyvirgin744 noted very well that the ceiling of the actual aircraft is very high (which made me delighted when i had recently exited an MD-88 where i was bumping my head all over the place... heh). The overall interior of the plane stunned me and the exterior is awesome, too. I haven't been on an MD-11 yet but this Saturday i will be flying on one from Zurich to Tehran on Swissair. Has anybody had any experience with them? I've heard it's a great airline. I'm taking an A330-300 from Boston to Zurich on Swissair as well. Let me know how good Swissair (and the aircraft) is.

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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Thu Jul 19, 2001 8:25 am

I don't know why I like the L-1011 so much I guess it's just history!! history + sound + rumble= ME =  Smile

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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Thu Jul 19, 2001 12:49 pm

........L-1011 ........better better better ! most beautiful!

DeltaBoy777 has a good point.
If Lockheed can design and create a new L-1011 it would have more advantage over others aircraft ..
specially the MD-11

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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Thu Jul 19, 2001 1:55 pm

MD-11 carries 258,300 pounds and average fuel flow is 16,000/hour total. Max TOGW is 630,500. Max payload is 200,000, approx.

I would wager the L1011 burns 18,000/hr and carries a lot less payload. You do have to consider the payload, for example, a B-737 burns less than an MD-11, but does that mean it's more fuel efficient? Bet you'd be surprised if you divided the payload by the fuel flow...

As to the stats, those are based on the number of cycles. There have been several MD-11 accidents (but were they related to the airframe or just bad luck?), but the aircraft has small enough total numbers and because it's long haul the cycles are low so the stats get pushed out of whack easily. If you don't understand how this can happen, may I suggest you take a basic statistics course at your first opportunity! The number of accidents the MD-11 has had is well within the normal probability distribution, so can't be considered as anything other than random events. If you want to argue that, then again I suggest you don't understand statistics.
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Thu Jul 19, 2001 4:04 pm

The McDonnell Douglas MD-11 because FINNAIR has them Big grin

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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:07 pm

Its almost impossible to compare L1011 to MD11. It would be better to do it on L1011 vs. DC10, or even L1011500 vs. DC1030.
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Thu Jul 26, 2001 10:29 am

If The MD-11 Is A Fuel Burner Why Does Delta Use Only MD-11'S On Its Atlanta To Toyko Flights ?
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Thu Jul 26, 2001 10:34 am

If The MD-11 Is A Fuel Burner Why Does Delta Use Only MD-11'S On Its Atlanta To Toyko Flights ?
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Thu Jul 26, 2001 10:38 am

In my opinon, the L-1101 was a well planned aircraft, while the MD-11 was well-done updated aircraft.
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Thu Jul 26, 2001 10:43 am

I think both look good. But the Tristar, I think, suffers less drag cuz the engine is buried into the fuselage. So it's better.

How come Lockheed never made another airliner, like an L-1012?

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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Thu Jul 26, 2001 10:47 am

Oh wow, just because the MD-11 has more glass in the cockpit, then it must be the "cooler plane" that's "quite a step up." One of Delta's senior captains spent his last few years training pilots to fly the MD-11, even though he himself was had been an L-1011 captain for a decade and PREFERRED the L-1011 over the MD-11. I can get the book from the library tomorrow if anyone would like me to back my facts up.
 
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RE: MD-11 Vs. L1011 What Do You Think?

Thu Jul 26, 2001 11:11 am

But please don't think I'm bashing the MD-11. I love them both. I just hate the unfounder facts and inaccurate speculation.